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Welcome to the
new (and for now, untainted by madness) Hogithum Hall. If any of you
left research materials or other belongings in the previous Hall, you may collect them just outside
the large entrance doors. They have already been removed from the
pollution and are in the safekeeping of my assistants, awaiting
their retrieval to this building.
Edit: OOC -- For
anyone just now joining us, I want to clarify that this is neither a
typical lore discussion thread nor a roleplaying story thread (RP
stories should now be posted in the Community Discussion forum), but
it has elements of both. Everyone is welcome to participate, but
before doing so, please be familiar with all that has gone before.
It will take some time to get caught up, but it's well worth the
effort if you want to join the proceedings. Start with this thread and follow the links at the
end of each.
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*enters the
new hall waving an eggskin handfan under his nose, quite
nonplussed.
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quite nonplussed
Surely the words of a mortal
man...
Forgive me, my dear Vehk. This has been a very trying
day for me in my duties. I hope the new accommodations are
satisfactory to everyone.
Edit: I just noticed the unusual hat you're wearing. The
sight of it cheered me. Thank you for the smile.
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I like this
new hall, it’s really nice and spacious. I shan’t tear it down by
means crepitatious, Nor will I drool or stare or laugh or
snot Or rip out the throat of the fatted tot You won’t even
know if I’m here or not I’ll even leave off all my semi-hidden
code (Such as: Sotha Sil, he died on a commode)
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LOL
If you ever tire of Oblivion and driving people insane, you
might find it amusing to travel with a Bard's group for a while.
Hmm... I'm feeling uncharacteristically giddy. I must move a
bit further away from you, O Mad One. Perhaps that corner over
there.
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:Harold stirs.
Slowly, his mouth opens, and a whispery voice comes forth, without
any movement of jaw or throat:
I am Alandro Sul. Why have you
disturbed the resting place of my child and conjured me forth in
this grotesque fashion?
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True, no bard
could e’er sing clear, Without my spittally whisper in his
ear. They all have something that the sane may lack: Poet,
dreamer, lover, and homicidal maniac.
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Hn.
Well, the voice is unlovely, as is the phrase.
So it is without a doubt that fool, Alandro.
Priest, take the
ringlet and secure it. Azura will be pleased to have this small
muktuk of her son back.
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*sighs* If
Sheogorath wasn't bad enough... *laughs*
Oh what a merry
dance.
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Anu is the answer.
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the Enantiomorph. You may know them individually as Zurin Arctus and
Talos. - Xal, a Human Maruhkati
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*enters new
hall*
*casts Mark*
Glad to see that the ringlet was
authentic. I hope you are okay, Harold.
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*walks in and
looks around*
"Ah hello there I am Stratigo. This great hall
suits me well."
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* the
librarian enters the new hall *
Greetings Lady Tegger, this
new hall is even more grander than the previous one.
* he
nods to Harold Tronskii *
I am really glad everything turns
good this time.
* then he withdraws and joins the rest of
the people *
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Well, the voice is unlovely, as is the phrase. So it is
without a doubt that fool, Alandro.
Whether he's a fool or not
remains to be seen. I am very sure that he is wise, or at least
brave for standing by the 'truthful' account of Red
Mountain.
Now I have some questions for Alandro Sul, if he is
still talkative. Was Nerevar murdered with 'poison robes, words and
candles' as is the tradition, or was it in a different way? Did all
three tribunes participate? And most important of all, when did the
murder take place?
Thank you in advance if you answer, and if
you do not answer, I thank you anyway for staying true to Nerevar
and yourself.
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thing I don't like about those governments is that they want to give
all of our taxes away to the less-fortunate.
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*A very dirty,
slightly bad-smelling, tired-looking Dunmer man enters the hall,
tracking dried mud behind him, wearing an equally dirty and fairly
banged-up suit of Dwemer armour and holding a Dwemer halberd. A pack
of netch leather, slung across his shoulders, is fairly bulging with
potions, food, water, books and an assortment of other
sundries.*
I apologise for my lateness here, I came as
quickly as possible once I had heard of what was happening. The
trouble with exploring Dwemer ruins is that, sturdy against time as
they are, rockfalls and such are still a danger. I only just managed
to leave previously a undiscovered part of Aleft (a large mine, it
seemed), where I had but a few books (one was blank but is now
much-scribbled-on) to keep me company while I watched a rather
worn-looking animunculus hefting and crushing the fallen stones away
(it was still moving earth as I left). Very curious behaviour, but
the tale is for another time.
As bitter a taste as it
leaves with me, we should begin seeing into dispatching a search
party for Master Lugagius. His boat from Solstheim departed some
days ago under troubling circumstances, and there is no word from
the Bitter Coast or West Gash Region ports of his arrival. His final
message to us is dangerously foreboding, and I fear some great ill
has befallen him. I pray that I am wrong.
Master D'onus,
I would like to volunteer for this search party. If Master Lugagius
is to be found, it must be quickly; Solstheim and its waters are
unforgiving, and I hope that the ship was simply blown off course in
a storm and run aground in Sheogorad or the northern Ashlands. If
there was a Dark Seducer in the Star that was released, I'd think
she would want to be among her own kind (but I am no expert on the
Daedra), and there are several Daedric sites near the waters in
those regions. It may be that she took Master Lugagius and the crew
there for some horrible purpose, but I pray with you that I am
wrong. I am, as you can see, still packed and armed from my trip to
Aleft, and can depart as soon as need be.
- Vireyar Sadri
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*Walks into
the hall as quietly as possible until...*
Where is the rug?!
It reminded me of home!
*stands indignantly at the back of
the new and far less foggy hall, grumbling something about "cuddly
khajiit"*
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I have an
Odd feeling that this is no Dark Seducer trapped within.
Perhaps someone intended to leave the......... hummmm......
Interesting
*Disapears*
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:the whispery
voice speaks once more:
I am tired of this haggling. For
three centuries after the battle I was the center of debate, for I
opposed the Tribunal, the new leaders. Eventually, I knew I could no
longer live among them, and so left. It has been a half and three
millenia since the battle. Though I still miss my lord, I will no
longer disrupt these proceedings with my words. I have said what I
can; let another who is better known step forth. I yearn for rest.
Let these rude conducts continue; what was done was done, and I will
always remember that, Vehk, no matter what decision these foolish
young ones come to. I will stay here no longer.
:the ringlet
suddenly shoots from Harold's mouth, who promptly begins to swear in
a slightly muffled tone:
Dahn! Dat ting go' hod! Ah gesh Shul
washn' 'ap-e.
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*The old dean
appears in the doorway, absentmindedly polishing his ruby-glass eye
with his sleeve. He pauses to scan those present and breathes a deep
sigh of relief as he notes that the transported Basilisk is still
breathing. Replacing his eye with customary ease, he strides into
the Hall.*
Under Sun and Sky, we greet you Alandro Sul.
Before we launch a volley of interrogation upon the
ghost-speaker, we should know for how long we may be assured of his
presence and resolve that we will not squander the opportunity
before us with the kind of frivolous barking that tainted our
previous venue.
Where is Ainoryl?
*Curses as he
realises that the spirit has already withdrawn...*
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Theoretical Whirling School Of Vivec
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I hope you are
well after this visitation, Harold. As you may find yourself in a
somewhat weakened condition, I should caution you not to stand too
near the vicinity of Sheogorath's chair for a while. I have already
found myself under his tenebrous influence today, perhaps due to
myself being the only mortal in the Hall at the time. I must say
that it was an uncomfortable experience. Then again, my very moment
of madness (for nothing else can explain why I would presume to
speak so to a Daedra Prince) in the old Hall might have somehow
interrupted his influence for a time. Perhaps it even barely
prevented the entire structure from being crumbled to dust by the
Mad One's dance.
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For any just
joining us, or any curious among you, I have re-located the access
point for our Trial information to the new Hall.
It may be
accessed by directing your attention to the northern alcove near
the pulpit. The information within has not seen update by my
hand since last evening, but will be seen to within a matter of
hours.
Master Tronstkii - well said and well done. You do our
Council proud with your bravery and faith. If you require aid after
such an experience I am sure any of the Restoration Adepts in
attendance, myself included, will be happy to
oblige.
Lord Vireyar Sadri: Your steel will be needed
and welcome if the need to depart should arise - your commitment and
zeal are most appreciated. I have sent a magical carrier to scour
the seas beyond the western coast of Vvardenfell and deliver further
instructions to the portmasters of the island should they encounter
any sign of Lugagius or his crew. I will wait no longer than two
days for reply before assembling a party and departing. Confer with
me if you wish at my quarters in the St. Olms canton - it can be a
bit difficult to find, but a recent Khajiiti convert to the Imperial
Cult named J'Dhannar can direct you there.
If you have any
contacts or know of any mercenaries in the rough-and-tumble
community here in Vivec City who are seeking adventure and can be
trusted, feel free to refer them to me. I still hold hope that our
efforts will not be needed, but the wheel is in motion - the road
will lead us where it may.
How I long for the time when
spirited discussion held precedent to terrible misfortune in these
halls. My age makes my heart weak to such loss...
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Hush.
Please continue, gentlemen and ladies. The God of Madness is
now distracted from this hallowed hall, until such time you need him
to come forth from the Dreaming Cave.
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Celarus, that
is a useful trick. You are very welcome in our Hall.
Master
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It is nothing.
I've simply provided irresistible sport for the Prince. He may
return at any time, but for the moment he seems pleased with his
fragile new toy. Pray, continue.
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Celarus, how nice to see you again. Your visit has been a welcome
addition to this Hall. I would love nothing more than to sit with
you and chat for days on end, but I have a feeling that I may be
leaving soon.
Master D'Onus, I would like to volunteer my
services for the search party. I am certainly not a
"rough-and-tumble mercenary," but I have several skills that you may
find quite useful.
~B
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Loremaster
Celarus of the Psijiics... My word, it is an honor to make your
acquaintance. Like my fellow councillor I would love a proper
opportunity to speak at length, and I suspect there is more than
curiousity behind your arrival here, but my friendly suspicions must
wait for another time - circumstances - as they must - dictate
otherwise.
Master B: I would be honored to have you
join me should a search become necessary. Your talents would be
valuable in most any situation, I think.
As for the remainder
of the council, I must tell you that the record of the Trial has been updated in my latest
meditations. I have incorporated the following pieces of information
into it this hour, repeated for the sake of on-going debate and
discussion.
A new charge has been enumerated:
Base Crimes Against the Chimer People - (In
Nigedo's words) - Vehk has said that in the instance of ALMSIVI's
apotheosis at the Heart-Spring of godhood the history of Mundus was
changed from eternity to eternity. If this is so, then my reasoning
is that the desire of ALMSIVI to have always been the gods of the
Chimer, born of the breaking of an oath and the betrayal of a king,
was poisoned at root and thus poisoned in fulfillment. This could be
regarded as a crime against the Chimer, that saw their end and
immediate replacement by the Dunmer. Not the breaking of the oath
per se, but the divine ownership of a people through an illegitimate
means tainted by oathbreaking and betrayal.
A new argument for the defense and
prosecution of Lord Vehk has been enumerated:
Argument: Vivec did not divert worship from
Mephala in his leading of the Dunmer people so much as he became Hir
living celebrant on Nirn. He did not rebuke the power-structure of
the Deadra Princes, but rather transformed the Tribunal into the
focus for the people's worship of them, thus preserving the natural
order of the universe.
Counter-Argument: The efforts
to remove and misrepresent the will of the Daedra Princes from the
affairs of the Dunmer people through the teachings and activities of
the Tribunal Temple cannot be ignored, and will likely brook no
leniency. The natural order was very much disturbed by the theft of
godhood at Red Mountain - one need only examine the progress of
history and the prominence of the Tribunal's activities therein to
see it.
The following snippet of Learned
Information has been added:
Vivec has
stated that he did not so much divert worship from Mephala as he did
become Hir living celebrant on this plane, the implication being
that he did no disservice to the Daedra Princes or the natural order
of the universe in assuming godhood with his fellows. In speaking
with Sheogorath the Mad Lord (his appointed defense counsel) Vivec
attempted to illustrate that his replacement of Mephala in the
pantheon of Morrowind worship was hardly noticed by the Dunmer
people. Though many Temple priests would no doubt agree, it is a
difficult point to argue from either side, and will likely be better
asked of Mephala herself or Azura come the Hogithum summoning.
The three most recently
proposed questions to Azura have been enumerated:
Did the three Daedra Princes known as the
Anticipations, Azura, Boethiah, and Mephala, in fact bless the
ascension of the Tribunal to godhood? Are the words of the Tribunal
Temple regarding the Anticipations blasphemy, or worship? (Proposed
by Allerleirauh)
Vivec has admitted that he broke his oath to
Nerevar not to use the Tools of Kagrenac, an oath sworn on the name
of Azura. What is the penalty for such a broken oath? (Proposed by
Allerleirauh)
Why was the sin of ALMSIVI apparently visited
upon the children of Morrowind, in their transformation into Dunmer?
(Proposed by Nigedo)
The latest
developments regarding the conjuring of Alandro Sul's voice in the
verification of the Wraithmail ringlet's authenticity and the
current state of worry regarding the fate of Master Lugagius and
Azura's Star have also been incorporated.
I go now to
meditate and await reply from my messenger spirits in search of
Master Lugagius. I shall return on the morrow.
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I...I have
arrived. I have the star, but my journey has been tiring. The ship
encountered a sorm, and was blown ashore. The crew, believing the
star to be the cause of their bad luck, dumped me and it onshore. I
have had to traverse through some of the worst conditions I have
ever seen in the west gash... the more I went toward the hall the
worse the conditions got. A mile from here I was struck by
lightning, and an avalanche got me a few hundred metres from here,
soemeone has been outting their will against my own, but I have
arrived.
As for the soul, I..I..I... think I now who's it
is. I will not tell, for the very idea makes my body shake.
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Pyschopathic Travel Accesory The Tribunal are not Evil,
Godammit!
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Hush.
Please continue, gentlemen and ladies. The God of
Madness is now distracted from this hallowed hall, until such time
you need him to come forth from the Dreaming Cave.
You seem to be forgetting...
something. I believe it is a tarnished strand of hair plucked from
the backside of a cave troll who was once a saint. But as my Lord is
fickle and his tastes, many, I shall hark his return with a
purr.
*Nael continues waiting on these supossed "assistants"
who still have in their custody, the Cherim embroidered rug he so
favored.*
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Who and not
what Lugagius?? I think i understand, though it is a fell thing to
bring into such a place as this, even when necessity decrees it must
be brought
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Who and not what Lugagius?? I think i understand, though it is
a fell thing to bring into such a place as this, even when
necessity decrees it must be brought
Phil
I can only bring so much
discord to this hall. Come Lugagius, what troublesome scrib have you
brought for us? If only my master was not so distracted, I am sure
this would pique his interests a fair amount. In his stead I will do
my best to poison the sweet invention of a mother.
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I'm fine. My
tongue got a little scorched, but a few drops of healing potion
finished that off.
Welcome back, Lugagius. I too feel some
suspicions now that the Star is here in the Hall. I can think of
only two possible beings who have recently lost their physical
beings on Mundus who could have so great of an essence they could be
felt through the grips of Azura's Star...
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Lugagius, it
is good to see you alive and well.
I must agree with Harold
on Azura's Star. I hope I’m wrong, but perhaps it contains the soul
of Ayem or Seht.
~B
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There is at
least one other great power who has recently died: Dagoth Ur. But I
believe Lugagius mentioned a pleasant female voice.
It is my
task, here, to strike hard; and it occurs to me that I am not
striking with all my power. I have another accusation for you, Vehk.
How is it that you spoke so seldom with your sister and brother,
Ayem and Seht, allowing Ayem certainly and Seht perhaps to fall into
madness at such a critical hour as that of the loss of the
Tribunal's godhood? Any mere mortal would have devoted more care to
his family.
These were your words spoken before the madness
of Almalexia:
Quote:
We don't communicate. Without the Heart, our divine powers
must diminish. She takes her divinity very seriously, and the loss
weighs heavily on her. She tends to brood, and I fear she will do
herself and others harm.
Your prediction was correct,
for she slew your brother, Sotha Sil, in her madness, and then
brought the wrath of the Nerevarine against herself. It does not
surprise me that you knew her well, after 4000 years. Only your
inertia surprises me.
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*Flash*
*Looks around* Oh, there you a--
............. Oh Crap !!
*Disapears again*
[Minutes
Later]
*Flash*
[Presents a guilded box]
"Here,
place the Star of Azura in this. It is specialy enchanted to keep
certain 'things' safe and secure until such time as they are
needed"
"It is where I keep my most powerful Soul
Gems"
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For any who
may doubt the veracity of the identity of our recently arrived
guest, I hereby officially confirm that Celarus is indeed who he
claims to be.
Master Celarus, it is a rare honor and a
distinct pleasure to have your presence here.
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I hope I’m wrong, but perhaps it contains the soul
of
Not only are you wrong, but
you have proven why scholars must enjoy empty beds. To all of you,
drop this matter. Now.
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Not only are you wrong, but you have proven why scholars
must enjoy empty beds. To all of you, drop this matter. Now.
Ha, ha, ha...
Oh, Vehk,
you never cease to amuse me with your humor. I certainly don’t mind
if you continue to insult me and my intelligence--or should I say,
the lack thereof--but please don't insult the young, female Breton I
slept with last night.
~B
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For any who may doubt the veracity of the identity of our
recently arrived guest, I hereby officially confirm that Celarus
is indeed who he claims to be.
As far as I’m concerned,
Loremaster Celarus’ identity was never in question.
~B
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As far as I’m concerned, Loremaster Celarus’ identity was
never in question.
~B
Indeed, but not all have your
good fortune to be previously acquainted with the good Loremaster.
It is
one of my duties as Herald and Bailiff to briefly examine
personalities of particular fame, and to confirm their identities to
the assembly. A minor inconvenience for our honored guests, perhaps,
but a necessary one for the assurance of the remaining participants.
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It is one of my duties as Herald and Bailiff to briefly
examine personalities of particular fame, and to confirm their
identities to the assembly. A minor inconvenience for our honored
guests, perhaps, but a necessary one for the assurance of the
remaining participants.
And I sincerely thank you for
doing it.
~B
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Ah the great
loremasters. well I shalll contribute as best i can with the little
knowledge that I have.
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*rushes into
the Hall, gasping for breath*
The... Hear it... I... THE
DRA--
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Imperial
troops... here? What the...?
You there! Knight Brother! Why
are these soldiers running amok in this Hall? HALT! AS BAILIFF OF
THIS COURT, I ORDER YOU TO--
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Not only are you wrong, but you have proven why scholars
must enjoy empty beds. To all of you, drop this matter. Now.
Why not let all of those
involved wrap their minds around a serpent that bites back? Your
mother became your sister and your father became your brother. Yet
you still managed to commit patricide, so I do not see a reason for
the accused to command the accusers whether you called for this or
not.
Despite what you have said there were those that walked
before you crawled. For a time you could walk but now it is a
stumble that only the crutch of these hearings can provide for you
to walk once again. But the deed is done and no choir can change
your fate.
Even though I have said these words I am still
humbled by you, Vehk. But not in the way you would like to believe.
EDIT: Gah, I'm always at the wrong place at the wrong time
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*He arrives by
medical palanquin and, though aged and feeble, there is no one
present, even haughty Vehk, that does not bow.
"I speak here only because it is my duty to
speak for Tamriel and the Empire. I have already placed my faith and
sanction in the integrity and authority of the court. The court is a
thing of the Law, The Empire is the Law, and the Law is Holy.
"I would only say... let no mortal man presume to judge this
immortal Vivec. Such things as these eyes have seen -- such things
as MY eyes have seen -- these things are weighed in the hands of the
Gods.
"That Vivec has chosen to place himself in the hands
of the Law pleases us, and does him honor. His acknowledgement and
acceptance of the Law brings him within our countenance. We neither
smile, nor frown, but say... let Justice and the Law be done."
*The Emperor of Tamriel then leaves, and those
present that are his agents, willing or otherwise, strive not to
stare too hard, lest they give up their identities. And could it be
there are more than would be suspected? Could it be the true Master
of this hall does not remain behind, but yet has passed on with the
shadow and silence of a Dragon?
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*slowly stands
upright after bowing for so long*
(whispering to self,
His Imperial Majesty...)
All Citizens of Tamriel, I
hope I need not explain why the Hall doors were temporarily barred
earlier. I find myself almost speechless now, for I never thought I
would ever stand in the presence of the Emperor himself. However,
duty prevails, and again I must confirm the identity of a great
dignitary, even though he has now left the premises.
All
Hail Uriel Septim VII! Long May He Rule!
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*also
rising*
Yes, um, indeed.
*running out the
door*
Your Terrible Imperial Majesty, wait! I must speak with
you! I must speak!
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*Stands up
after bowing*
We are all truely honored by his majesty the
Emporer's presence. Truely this is a monumental and historic
event.
All Hail Uriel Septim VII! Long May He Rule!
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to find words suited to her appointed place, as Mercy of the
Tribunal, she kneels, then stands in silence, unable to think more
than: But...he looks so old... )
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I...cannot
speak. Except perhaps to say that I love him.
I must take
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*rises*
I, too, am speechless.
*looks
around*
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*Completely
misses the event as he was looking for his rug, but out of respect
and coincidence was still in a bowing-type-posture*
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*stands up
after being forced to bow*
Ugh nothing like the pressence of
a "Septim" to leave a room with the smell of death and
destruction.
Now where were we...
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Now where were we...
*hears from his meditation
room.
"IF YOU DOUBT WHAT WE HAVE REVEALED TO OUR SERVANT,
PRODUCE ONE CHAPTER COMPARABLE TO IT! CALL UPON YOUR IDOLS TO ASSIST
YOU, IF WHAT YOU SAY BE TRUE!"
Do not sully the name again,
small cake of ash. I have taken your razored stone meant for His
Majesty upon myself.
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*Bows*
The honour of meeting Emperor Septim is as
boundless as his wisdom! Indeed we are blessed, even after
everything that has transpired within these halls.
-Attrebus
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Dusk and Dusk.
A day devoted to Scholarly Pursuits and
Truth. And Stri'Ker, who died for these - May he be remembered
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Well now, we
shall have no further doubt of the position of the Empire with
regard to this trial.
As the Emperor himself has declared,
Vehk's willingness to submit himself to our efforts brings him only
honour. And we are all honoured to witness and participate in this
event.
-------------------- Dean of
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* the
librarian just stands there doing nothing, but his eyes follow the
leave of the Emperor. He mutters something and then he dissapears *
...time passes...
* then he arrives back with some
magickal dust around him and steps forward, he says *
The
Emperor is very old he looks terribly different than this picture, taken at 3E405, a short time before the
mysterious agent of him sent to Daggerfall. I shall pray to the gods
for his health, and for the Empire. My heart sunk seeing his current
condition.
* the librarian withdraws *
-------------------- ~Xayah Ayem Neht Librarian
at The Imperial Library Member of The
Forum Scholars Guild
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*hearing the
booming voice of Vehk, Nael discontinues his trudging about the Hall
and sighs*
If it hurts Vehk, you should cry... but know that
your tears have already gagged me.
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* Steps out of
the shadows, looking at a crystal *
* Follows the the
Emperor for a few steps, at a discrete distance *
* Shakes
Head *
* Mutters something of the wrong dragon *
*
Disapears back into the shadows *
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*enters the
new hall slowly, looking very tired*
Please excuse my
absense, but I now return. I have come to collect the second and the
third items for the summoning. I have watched the skies and
consulted the skulls once more. The day draws near.
*speaking with a firm and earnest voice, and even a faint
smile*
I commend you, Harold Trontskii, for your bravery. I
am pleased that you walk with us still, and that you have recovered
the ringlet. I will now bear its burden.
*opens his left
hand, to place the ringlet in* May I have it?
And Master
Lugagius, I must admit I was worried for your safety. I am happy to
see you return, and with Azura's Star. I am eager to study it, and
identify its authenticity, as well as whatever lay within. I will
now bear its burden.
*opens his right hand, to place the
star in* May I have it?
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*opens his right hand, to place the star in* May I have
it?
Of course my dear
sir.
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Pyschopathic Travel Accesory The Tribunal are not Evil,
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"well well
now. This hall gets more interesting by the second. I ook forward to
participating. Oh and the star, I almost forgot. I may have need of
it before long."
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*As he casts
Telekinesis at Azura's Star, the artifact is removed from Lugagius'
fingers. It sails across the room and into B's outstretched hand*
You don't mind if I take a look at the Star for a second, do
you?
*B examines the mysterious object and walks toward
Ainoryl*
It's just as I thought. Here is the Star. I'm sorry
for the delay.
*Grins and hands the Star to Ainoryl*
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" Oh and the star, I almost forgot. I may have need of it
before long."
You'll have to take that up
with Azura. Most likely she'll either snap it back up for another
hero, or demand we return it to the incarnate.
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Ai! The
Emperor himself visits. I'm speechless.
Masters Lugagius and
Trontskii, I am glad to see that you are both well after your
individual trials and troubles.
Master D'Onus, I am no lord
except of a small family house (I do not know whether it was irony
or swollen pride that led my relatives to call it a manor) near the
Hlaalu Canton, the hospitalities of which I extend to you in thanks
for your offer of hospitality.
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Animunculi and neon lights than you can shake a stick at. GDR Aleft - You can't expect it to not be flooded,
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But of course.
I don't think that its owner is very fond of me,
anyway.
:hands the ringlet to Ainoryl:
Truly, I never
thought to have the good fortune to look upon the Emperor himself.
Though he was old, I could see the truth there...I can understand
how he survived those long years in Oblivion...
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* the
librarian steps forward to where Ainoryl stand, he takes a closer
look to the ringlet *
This is indeed dwemeri origin,
interesting piece we have here. I see there is some dwemeri
alphabet, here and here. Anyone knows what are the meaning of those?
Perhaps master Nigedo or master Aquaintus know about this? This
looks like serpent alphabet, but I might wrong though. Again, I am
not a master of this
topic.
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Gentlemen,
please. This is not an archeological site, but a courtroom. These
are items of power, not to be trifled with, and we have them here
for a single purpose: the summoning of Azura, to answer questions
about the guilt of Vivec.
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I give you
thanks, Master Lugagius and Trontskii.
*looks toward B, his
expression quite serious*
I will spare you the lecture, and
say simply this: do not try that again.
Stratigo, I suggest
that you reconsider your plans for Azura's Star.
I would
also like to say, thank you, to all assembled. It was no small task
to recover these items. I was extremely impressed, and a bit
surprised, at how quickly so many offered their aid and support.
Though I doubt the star is counterfeit, still, I must study
it to be certain of its authenticity. I will return.
*exits
the chamber*
-------------------- Ainoryl
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* the
librarian smiles from ear to ear *
I just want to make a test
and study on that particular dwemeri artifact, which I think you are
right my dear Lady Allerleirauh, it is not appropriate at this time.
Well, I'm always fascinated with anything
dwemeri.
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Thank you
Ainoryl. Please return and confirm that we have all the items
necessary for the invocation, as soon as you can.
-------------------- Dean of The
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*as Ainoryl
exits the chamber, B calls after him*
Your warning has been
duly noted, my good Ainoryl. I merely had to look at the Star... to
be sure.
*turns to Xan*
I completely understand your
curiosity, old friend. I am more than a bit curious about the nature
of things in this room.
*turns and bows in Nigedo's
direction*
Nigedo, are there any other matters that need to
be addressed?
-------------------- ~B
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*as Ainoryl exits the chamber, B calls after him*
Your
warning has been duly noted, my good Ainoryl. I merely had to look
at the Star... to be sure.
*turns to Xan*
I
completely understand your curiosity, old friend. I am more than a
bit curious about the nature of things in this room.
*turns and bows in Nigedo's direction*
Nigedo, are
there any other matters that need to be addressed?
*Appears to be muffled (for
once) but is jumping up and down and pointing in the priest,
Ainoryl's direction...*
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Nigedo, are there any other matters that need to be
addressed?
According to the proverb, "In a
multitude of counsellors there is wisdom".
I feel that this
gathering should debate at some length the questions that we propose
to put to Azura. I am concerned that they are but bare bones at
present and that we may not yet understand our own purposes for the
invocation and precisely what it is we hope to learn.
Perhaps there are other, more pertinent questions we should
ask.
What are your thoughts on this, B?
-------------------- Dean of The
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What are your thoughts on this, B?
As it stands, I think we have
eleven questions—some are more likely to be answered than others. I
guess we have to ask ourselves, "What do we hope to achieve by
talking to Azura?" Once we reflect upon that question, we will know
if we have asked everything that needs to be asked.
I must
ponder this...
*disappears*
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* Looks at
Nael *
* Nods as he steps out of the shadows*
* Takes
the guilded box * " Ainoryl may need this" he says.
* Follows
Ainoryl *
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Nael claps his
hands for Draco then quickly grabs Nigedo before he can leave. He is
still gagged and must use gestures to communicate. Being not
entirely insane, he sometimes finds sign language easier to
communicate with the uninitiated.
*Acts as if he is reading a
book, he then points at the box Draco is carrying. Next he points to
the ceiling of the Hall.*
Nael then removes an earring and
offers it to Nigedo. It doesn't appear to be enchanted in any overt
way but he laughs silently, barely able to contain
himself.
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Please, my
dear Nael. Conduct yourself with some dignity in this Hall,
and discontinue these distracting antics.
-------------------- Everyone always
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*materializes*
Never a moments rest...
...I get the impression that
Nael and Dracodrakonis do not trust Ainoryl.
*disappears to
ponder additional questions for Azura*
-------------------- ~B
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I get the impression that Nael and Dracodrakonis do not trust
Ainoryl.
Indeed. I just hope that
neither has been up to any unseen mischief.
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Please, my dear Nael. Conduct yourself with some
dignity in this Hall, and discontinue these distracting antics.
*nods to B in agreement.
*Nael conducts himself with a flourishing bow to the Master
of the Hall and sits crosslegged on a cheaply embroidered rug. He
acts as if crying, points out the door, and then fixes his hands
around his throat, trying to explain his lack of speech.*
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*reappears*
Oh! For crying out loud! I know I'm going to regret this...
*touches Nael gently on the forehead and casts Dispel*
You are free from the spell, my child.
*shakes his
head and then vanishes*
-------------------- ~B
Assistant Librarian at The Imperial
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You cannot
dispel me! It was an enchantment far beyond your pow...errrrrrr...
*covers his mouth and blushes as much as a dunmer possibly
can*
Tricks and games are lost to those who have forgotten to
play. Perhaps it is my turn to cry now? No, no, no... I have been
distracted, for it is the time of examination and bloated purposes.
Witness! Do you believe your eyes? I know mine do not lie but fail
to tell the truth...
*laughs so hard tears roll down his
face*
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*finally
returns from his contemplation of the Emperor's words* I'm sorry
my friends that I have been absent from these deliberations so long,
I have had much on my mind. Though I bow to my Emperor with deepest
devotion, I still do not believe we have no right to try Vehk. He is
mortal, and hence he is in mortal hands.
Nonetheless, it has
all come to the same end because of Vehk's submission to the court.
Hence we press on.
*turns to Nael* Nael, perhaps you
should be escorted to a healer.
*turns to Nigedo and B*
Your suggestion is most wise. The questions are wise and well
put but perhaps they can be shortened into a format where they can
be asked before the inevidable happens. The story of "Azura and the
Box" is a good example of how she reacts to overly questioning
mortals.
-------------------- Just a Cyrodiil citizen
who believes Anu is the answer.
The second to see the
Brass God was the Enantiomorph. You may know them individually as
Zurin Arctus and Talos. - Xal, a Human Maruhkati
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...I get the impression that Nael and Dracodrakonis do not
trust Ainoryl.
What is there not to trust? I
mean its not like he required us to get three artifacts far beyond
the scope of a simple summoning...
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My lord
Celarus begs your pardon for his abrupt departure. I know he has
been trying to speak with the Emperor for some time now about
several extremely urgent matters, and he didn't have the time to
give his farewells to this august company.
I haven’t been to
the eastern provinces in years, but I have a very good friend in
Morrowind who used to keep me up to date with your practices here. I
understand it that a God has fallen and we are here to stab at him
while he lies bleeding?
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Thank you for
the message, Gosleigh, and welcome. I'm sure all our well-wishes go
with your master in his endeavors.
As for why we are here,
your wording may seem a bit harsh to some in this assembly, but yes,
that does seem to be the essence of the matter.
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STAY YOUR HAND
GOOD PRIEST!
*Nael's voice booms amongst the Hall suddenly
carrying a significant amount of conviction. All turn to see Nael
standing at the back of the Hall where he was once seated. There is
a hazy shape floating above his head that suddenly comes into focus
to reveal a cliff racer. The creature appears to be... deficating?
For decency's sake, most that are not stunned by the vision turn
away. But a few of those who have come prepared have their arrows
notched at the ready. Nael motions for them to be at ease and
continues*
Friends, the racer is not real... but it's refuse
unfortunately is and apologize for the grotesque display above my
head. It is but a reminder of my equally demeaning hubris. I was one
foolish enough to serve the Mad God and thought that I could walk
way unscathed. I was brutally proven wrong. I cannot even put to
good use what I traded my sanity for, which was the Oghma Infinium.
Now before damage be done I must reveal what I have come
for.
Do not dismiss Lugagius' prior warnings for they were
not false. His instincts serve him quite well and I feel we are now
in more of a predicament than any of you imagine. I have been trying
to illuminate this warning thru muddy water, but to no avail so I
have had to leave the prison (at considerable cost to myself) in
which I was contained by my Master. This warning is dire... there
something wrong with the Star of Azura. Once being greatly
intrigued and heavily involved by items of power I can tell you that
I do not recall there ever being mention of a situation such as this
so we must proceed with ABSOLUTE caution.
But I dare say if
we release this soul, all within this Hall are sure to be put into
terrible risk for their very beings. However if we do not release
the apparition, I can almost be certain that Azura will be greatly
offended by our unwieldy manner.
Suffice it to say again
though, I haven't the faintest inkling as to what might await us
within Azura's Star and I mean that exactly as it sounds. It may
come to something that has never been done before in events known
and unknown alike... corporally entering the sanctum of that object
and returning again with report. Only then, do I believe can we
safely proceed.
If it would please the court I volunteer my
services for I know the ritual to brand my own essence upon it's
surfaces without losing my form here on Mundus. With a mask given to
me by Sheogorath I will be protected from the dimension of Oblivion
which exists within Azura's Star but I fear that whatever lurks
within I am not. I have served my purpose here and do not fear for
my life because ever since the fateful day I made that pact, my life
has been Nothing-Nothing. But I will first await the return of our
friend Vehk before a decision is reached for he may have more
powerful insight as to the nature of this Boundary.
Now
before I am completely buried in bird dung, I must replace the
shackles of my mind lest the Gray Matter flies apart at the
seams.
*The powerful gleam set in Nael's eyes slowly fades,
flickers, then dies. Almost as suddenly as his resolve showed
itself, a wicked twist of his lip signifies the return of
Sheogorath's taint.*
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Yes, that
would seem to be the case. Although it's odder than that; Vivec has
ASKED us to stab at him. I am charged with trying my hardest to damn
Vivec for his past crimes. Whether or not he is mortal, with or
without the sanction of our beloved Emperor, I will be true to my
charge. Your help would be very welcome.
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I have another
suggestion - we shall enchant an item with the soul contained in the
Star. This will allow us to remove the soul without more loss of
life. I care not what the enchantment is, but it is the best option
I can think of. What say you?
-Attrebus
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Dusk and Dusk.
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Truth. And Stri'Ker, who died for these - May he be remembered
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I have another suggestion - we shall enchant an item with the
soul contained in the Star. This will allow us to remove the soul
without more loss of life. I care not what the enchantment is, but
it is the best option I can think of. What say you?
A toy in the hands of a child,
created by his mother, will stop a Dragon dead in it's tracks.
I must grab a leg, I must grab an arm, I could try
for the head, but any less and it would bring us all to
harm.
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Nael, I have
spoken with His Lordship, Vehk, since you seem to find it so urgent.
He informs me he will not be disturbed at this time. In the meantime
he deems it wise that you eat this [censored] you've been talking
into existence. He says also that his trust in Ainoryl is as iron.
For myself, I can say only that this court will not
willingly do the bidding of Sheogorath, or his servants. How can you
be sure which are your moments of sanity?
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Oh, by
Iachesis, what have I got myself in to? I thought this was a hall of
philosophers and legislators, not curses and madmen ...
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Oh, by Iachesis, what have I got myself in to? I thought this
was a hall of philosophers and legislators, not curses and madmen
...
*whispers* Some would say
there is little difference.
Ahem. With certain of Sheogorath's servants nearby, I fear
that we must expect at least some... oddities. However, if
they become too frequent and distracting, those servants will be
escorted out of the Hall.
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Indeed - just
say the word my good Ladyship, and I will personally remove
Sheogorath's pet from the sight of this court. Those who's weak mind
lusts for quick power do not deserve to be within these hallowed
halls.
-Attrebus
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4th of First Seed - Dusk and Dusk.
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I would
recommend having him removed, but with the utmost care. He seems in
strong need of a healer.
-------------------- Just a
Cyrodiil citizen who believes Anu is the answer.
The
second to see the Brass God was the Enantiomorph. You may know them
individually as Zurin Arctus and Talos. - Xal, a Human Maruhkati
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I’m sorry I
can’t be help in this situation. Celarus could perhaps exorcise the
poor man, or set wards against Sheogorath’s indirect influence (his
direct influence, of couse, is out of the question – Daedra Princes
do as they will), but I’m afraid I’m useless. I don’t think my
master knew quite how dangerous this place is ... else surely he
wouldn’t have requested me to stay behind while he talked to the
Emperor ...
And forgive my bluntness on the trial of Vehk.
From my own point-of-view, if there was an opportunity to try Molag
Bal or Vaernima or, of course, Sheogorath, I think all would be
found guilty. I don’t think Vivec is far from that notorious
fellowship.
I also put it to you that he was never a very
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Oh! A vicious
stroke! If that doesn't draw him out of his lair, nothing will!
Bluntness is called for, with so many liars and dissemblers
in our midst. Please speak your mind freely.
There is indeed
some danger. But this matter I think our bailiff has well in hand.
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Am I to
understand the Emperor himself was here? And whisked away Loremaster
Celarus from under our adoring noses? Truly, this Trial has
attracted all the best people... **a wry grin**
In
all seriousness, I regret that I could not be present to show the
Emperor my respects. His attentions only reinforce the magnitude of
what we engage in here. A bit of paranoia has gripped the courtroom
since the Emperor's appearance. It is no surprise that a presence of
that magnitude should require a bit of levity in its
aftermath.
My affairs have kept me for the days since Master
Lugagius' return. My messenger spirits took some time to relay news
of his arrival to me, but I am endlessly glad he has returned
despite terrible trifles along the journey. His service to the
Council will not be forgotten. Masters Sadri and B, I thank you for
your offers of service - we shall have to embark upon an adventure
together another time.
As has been pointed out, with all the
necessary items for the summoning in hand, our attentions must turn
to building cases for and against Vivec. Further enumeration of
charges and arguments, and an in-depth examination of questions for
Azura (and Nerevar, if Vehk's words from early in the Trial are to
be believed). We will be allowed no more than twelve questions,
eleven of which are currently listed, nine or ten of which seem
actually tenable, and three of which would be appropriately directed
toward Nerevar as well.
What is the
essence of what we require from Azura? Communion with Nerevar,
certainly. A god's-eye view of events during and after the events at
Red Mountain? I doubt it is divine decree of guilt or innocence we
are seeking, and interrogation for the satisfaction of simple
scholarly curiousity on subjects like the disappearance of the
Dwemer are more likely to invoke her wrath than gain us any insight.
So what, ultimately, are we seeking from Azura? We must know before
Hogithum.
What is the essence of what we require from the
spirit of Nerevar? Whether he, as the recipient (I hesitate to
say victim) of murder at mortal Vehk's hands, believes we can hold
the god Vivec accountable for the mortal's crimes? His wisdom
regarding the treatment of the Dunmer peoples since his death? Like
Azura, we must know precisely what we seek of Nerevar's spirit
before Hogithum.
The entire purpose for
this summoning, for Stri'Ker's brave sacrifice and for Lugagius'
harrowing brush with death is that we might summon Azura to speak
with Nerevar and gain higher insight before judging Vivec in our
mortal eyes. Without purity of aim beforehand we may as well have
judged him guilty from the outset and damned him
then.
Eh--What is that smell? Racer droppings?
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Where is the
Soundwalker? I... felt him speak while I was away... The Dragon. The
Emperor and the Empire.
Too many portents point to a terrible
culmination of forces not far from now. And I do not think we will
be far removed from them.
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*Still
following*
A sudden strange feeling comes to him. "It should
not be this difficult to catch up with him" he quietly says to
himelf.
Instinct tells him to stick to the shadows and to
not loose site of the priest no matter what.
"Is that
something calling to me ?" he thinks to himself. "No, just the
wind", "it as to be".
* He barely notices a slight glow
comeing from his crystal, not haveing time to look at it he tucks it
safetly away *
..................... To be continued.
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Welcome,
Louis. As usual, you sum things up well.
Do not be afraid to
ask questions. We can edit the list later. I think, at this point,
it is more important to ask all that can be asked. We still have ten
days to narrow our focus.
My dear Louis, calm yourself. The
Dragon has already visited us, and indeed we were struck silent. If
you had felt his presence here, you would not seek further.
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*the doors of
the Hall swing open and B enters*
I would have come sooner,
but something was barring me from entering this Hall in my customary
manner. Since I couldn't teleport, I had to come by more mundane
methods.
*strolls over to Attrebus, and the two exchange
words*
Hmm, Attrebus has gotten me caught up on the things
that have transpired in my absence. I see that we have quite the
megalomaniac on our hands here. I'm not surprised that my spell had
little affect on Nael. I am certainly open to any of the suggestions
that have already been discussed.
*walks over to Gosleigh,
hand extended in greeting*
Goleigh, I see Loremaster Celarus
has sent you to us. How good to see another Psijic in this Hall. I
don't believe we have been officially introduced, but perhaps you
have heard of me.
I must confess. A friend of mine
"accidentally" came across some of your letters of correspondence with a man named Xal. It
just so happens that my name was mentioned in a couple of them. Of
course, I didn't read every word. That wouldn't have been right of
me to do.
Well now, imagine my embarrassment now that I have
to confess this to you to your face, but please do not harbor any
ill will towards me, good fellow. Surely, this place is big enough
for the both of us.
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I hear that
the Asylum at Torval is considered nice this time of year .... maybe
Nael would feel more at home there??
Phil
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Quote:
How is it that you spoke so seldom with your sister and
brother, Ayem and Seht, allowing Ayem certainly and Seht perhaps
to fall into madness at such a critical hour as that of the loss
of the Tribunal's godhood? Any mere mortal would have devoted more
care to his family.... your inertia surprises me.
Is this a crime, Mercy? Or
merely a stark variation that causes you a personal anguish, this
difference in the kinship of snowmen and their devils? To admit I am
mortal does not admit that I am a man. I am still hero, and weapon
of the Dunmer, and what you might read as inertia is most certainly
just the absence of war.
In any case, I answer this only
because you will it of me. I did not speak to either Ayem or Seht
enough before their death because…well, because, mortal or divine,
that is the way it always is.
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The Tribunal
gloriously usurped the worship of our Anticipations, as was foretold
in the words of Veloth. That you would categorize this as a crime is
confusing to me. Perhaps you wish to know true history so that you
will not go longer unlearned.
Providence. That is my plea
regarding my replacement of the Black Hands Mephala.
I spoke
of this in an earlier life, but earlier than myself were Ayem and
Seht. They had supplanted in the orbit of the Chimeri soul those
Daedra that predated them, Boethiah and Azura respectively. None of
us did this out of criminal intent. Rather, as I have said, these
beings were our Anticipations in the truest sense, the fore-images
of the gods that would come for Morrowind. We hold the original
Triune in honor as the bringers of knowledge and culture, and
difference, and revere them as the harbingers of the glory of
ALMSIVI. And never did we question their divinities or remove them
from our holy books.
But as I once spoke of the Rainmaker,
the needs of the people change, and those that provide guidance to
them must also change. While it may seem strange to imply that our
fore-images, being Daedra, were adverse to change, they were, and
they are. In this they are very alike to the Aedra in their
fundaments. While born of Padhome, they are of too much ego to give
up their realms entirely, especially for altruism, which is perhaps
what they most hate.
And so from their basis did we spring,
called to heaven by violence, our people throwing our mantles to us
across stars, and across time, and magic and dream, and here we
remain.
Even those of us who are dead. Or are destined to
die.
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Goleigh, I see Loremaster Celarus has sent you to us. How good
to see another Psijic in this Hall. I don't believe we have been
officially introduced, but perhaps you have heard of me.
I
must confess. A friend of mine "accidentally" came across some of
your letters of correspondence with a man named Xal. It just so
happens that my name was mentioned in a couple of them. Of course,
I didn't read every word. That wouldn't have been right of me to
do.
Well now, imagine my embarrassment now that I have to
confess this to you to your face, but please do not harbor any ill
will towards me, good fellow. Surely, this place is big enough for
the both of us.
All in the past, B. I didn't
realize our correspondence had been made public until arriving on
these shores ... thankfully, the most secret of the letters have
never surfaced ... nor has Xal for that matter ...
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Is this a crime, Mercy?
How long must this dalliance
play out before you two kiss?
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Well, Vehk.
Kiss me, since it is demanded. Then I must return to damning you, as
my oath requires.
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Where is the Soundwalker? I... felt him speak while I was
away...
I spoke to my friend earlier
today. He is currently resting in the Mages Guild, recovering from a
rather nasty bump to the head. Just as he began to speak here
yesterday, he was knocked down by one of the Imperial Knights
arriving to secure the Hall for the Emperor (although, I must
confess that, knowing my friend's penchant for sampling local
potables, I suspect he might have fallen for other reasons). He said
that he was quite disappointed to awaken and discover that he had
entirely missed the Emperor's arrival, speech, and departure. He
asked me to convey his regards to the assembly and his prayers that
the gods grant us all wisdom as the proceedings continue.
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I am sure you
speak truly, Lady Allerleirauh. It would seem I am not unaffected by
post-Imperial hysteria.
Lady
Tegger: Thank you for news of the Soundwalker - I am pleased that
the explanation for his absence is embarrassing, rather than
tragic.
I would pose some further ideas that bear discussion
here, and Lord Vehk has precognitively addressed some of them,
though I shall persist.
In light of your comments, Lord
Vivec, I would ask Azura:
What do the
other Daedra Princes of the Anticipations feel about the Tribunal's
assumption of godhood? Sheogorath has said that
the people hardly noticed the difference of Vivec's supplanting of
Mephala in Dunmer worship, and that it was not a case of worship
diverted, just re-focused - but how does Mephala feel, I wonder?
When last I checked, there were no recorded locations of shrines to
Mephala anywhere on Vvardenfell. Or Boethiah, for that matter, who
until recently was nearly forgotten in worship, with not a single
place of worship to Hir on the whole of the island?
I wonder
even what the Princes of the House of Troubles thought at those
moments - what do the Adversaries themselves have to say? It may
sound blasphemous, but surely we already tread into territory that
until recently would have seen us relocated to the Ministry of Truth
- and surely some insight might be gained from such a line of
questioning.
And in general:
Was the natural order of the universe violated
by the Tribunal's Apotheosis or ultimately served? If the former,
what level of responsibility does the Vehk before us hold for that?
Did Veloth truly foretell the supplanting of worship from the
Ancestor Daedra of the Anticipations by the Tribunal, or is it an
aberrant act, made from a hunger for power?
Was the destiny
of an entire race thereby subverted, merely altered, or ultimately
served? Did murder and the use of the Heart of Lorkhan profane the
face of an entire people? And if so, what accountability does the
Vehk before us hold for that?
And, perhaps most of all - Did
the assumption of godhood put the fate of our world in peril? Have
these repeated Breaks in the fabric of Time placed the integrity of
what we know as reality at stake? Should Vehk be accountable, if so?
What says the Council on these subjects,
Vivec included?
I do not know how many of these questions can
truly be answered by Azura - I don't even know that I feel qualified
to form a personal opinion on these subjects, in all honesty. To be
frank, until very recently my areas of expertise were in magery and
taboo subjects such as necromancy, lycanthropy, and the effects of
porphyric hemophilia and blight diseases.
Yet here we are,
questions of the ages at our fingers, beckoning us to answer them
and determine the fate of a god and king. The irony of the Mundus is
endless.
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Sheogorath has said
Might I suggest that we keep
from mentioning His name too much in these proceedings? He is
distracted now, but every time his name is mentioned, it is a quiet
calling to him. Perhaps "The Mad God" or "The Prince Of Madness"
would be useful synonyms.
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Well, Vehk. Kiss me, since it is demanded. Then I must return
to damning you, as my oath requires.
Dear me, Mercy, but very well.
My face is your chair.
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Ah, of course.
I did not mean to undermine the fine work of your Master Celarus,
Gosleigh.
I would refer to him as The Skooma Cat, but I fear
that might place me too close to his realm on its own.
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(blushing
furiously)
(composing herself)
Vehk, I have
lived among Dunmer too long already not to understand what you say
about your kin. But this does not free you of the guilt of allowing
a mad goddess to go against the people of Morrowind. If a disaster
is coming, and you know it, and yet do not tell those in its path,
you are a traitor, are you not?
Your words regarding the
Anticipations are uncommonly concise and easy to grasp. And so I
suspect a deeper trick. I must take thought, and answer them later.
I see, however, two further accusations resting in your
words. Here is one:
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And never did we question their divinities or remove them from
our holy books.
No, you did not remove the
Anticipations from your holy books. But you did remove four other
Daedra, equally worshipped under the Prophet Veloth. Their worship
was forbidden because they failed to bow to you. What of them?
And this:
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While born of Padhome, they are of too much ego to give up
their realms entirely, especially for altruism, which is perhaps
what they most hate.
This has a very odd sound,
from your lips... are you accusing yourself of altruism?
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Per the Writ
of Silence you received, this court will not tolerate any further
outburts of this sort, Nael. I trust that this will not happen
again.
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Nael, your
madness excuses your outburst.
No, you have not hired me. I
spoke with His Lordship on your behalf from kindness, and reported
his words as he spoke them. It was he who appointed me to this
Tribunal. And you will not mock this court.
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Well... I
think some clarifications should be made, and some developments made
known.
First, my dear Nazz, I wasn't aware that you were so
experienced with the summoning of a prince of oblivion. Perhaps, if
you have the time, you could enlighten me on some of the finer
points I may have missed out on. I might even let you greet her, if
you're so inclined. I'm sure she'll be very pleased to be in the
hall. Do let me know.
In all honesty, the summoning still is
uncertain. Even with all the preperations and offerings in the
world, Azura will most likely be very unhappy. Please keep this in
mind when you prepare questions for her. Ask nicely.
As for
the Star.. It is with complete certainty, Azura's Star. As for what
soul is inside the gem, I can only guess. Yes, it is powerful. No,
your minds and souls are not in danger. Draco, you may keep your
box, but thank you, and please stop following me, you're starting to
make me a bit nervous.
I am working with the tribunal, in
order to identify what sort of entity is within the gem. I do not
wish to disturb the discussions going on too greatly, but I may be
calling upon the hall for aid again before long.
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Vehk, your
narrative explanation appears to efface the means of its own
construction, as all good realism should. Let us look within for the
hidden realities.
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The Tribunal gloriously usurped the worship of our
Anticipations, as was foretold in the words of
Veloth.
What words, dear Vehk? Would you
please quote the prophet rather than merely allude to his
affirmation. And please provide a corroboratory source or I will
deem this to be inadmissable as evidence.
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That you would categorize this as a crime is confusing to me.
Perhaps you wish to know true history so that you will not go
longer unlearned. . Providence. That is my plea regarding
my replacement of the Black Hands Mephala. . I spoke of
this in an earlier life, but earlier than myself
were Ayem and Seht. They had supplanted in the orbit of the
Chimeri soul those Daedra that predated them,
Boethiah and Azura respectively.
As you have stated, your
[ALMSIVI's] trascendance made Time irrelevant from the perspective
of your newly attained divinity. Indeed, according to statements you
have previously made in your own defense, we should consider your
divine state to have pre-existed any actions taken in the parallel
and now lost timeline of the mortal precursors of ALMSIVI.
Therefore, please explain clearly how you can describe the
apotheoses of Ayem and Seht as having taken place *earlier* than
your own.
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None of us did this out of criminal intent.
That is for this Court to decide
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Rather, as I have said, these beings were our Anticipations in
the truest sense, the fore-images of the gods that would come for
Morrowind. . We hold the original Triune in honor as the
bringers of knowledge and culture, and difference, and revere them
as the harbingers of the glory of ALMSIVI. And never did we
question their divinities or remove them from our holy
books.
Perhaps not. But you *did*
surplant them.
In a parallel Time they were the sole divine
stewards of the Chimer. In the Time that healed itself to fit your
new god-images, they were reduced to mere 'anticipations' of the
divine stewards of the Dunmer.
The Chimer themselves became
a people accordingly tainted by the very crime that sundered the
Time of their own fore-images and reforged them as the unwitting
inheritors of the Dunmeri curse.
What do you say to this?
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But as I once spoke of the Rainmaker, the
needs of the people change, and those that
provide guidance to them must also change.
Tell us then what new needs of the
Chimer sanctioned their transformation into the Dunmer, the
replacement of the most key figures of their pantheon and the
desolation of their homeland into an ashen wasteland.
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While it may seem strange to imply that our fore-images, being
Daedra, were adverse to change, they were, and they are. In this
they are very alike to the Aedra in their fundaments. While born
of Padhome, they are of too much ego to give up their realms
entirely, especially for altruism, which is perhaps what they most
hate.
This is mere conjecture on your
part. I see no evidence to support your opinion of the Daedra.
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And so from their basis did we spring, called to heaven by
violence, our people throwing our mantles to us across stars, and
across time, and magic and dream, and here we remain.
But you are effacing the truth!
Vehk, you have already stated that the root mechanism for your
apotheosis was the desire and actions of the mortal Vehk in direct
relation to the Heart of Lorkhan. Without the misuse of the Heart of
the Missing God, you would not have existed as Vivec of ALMSIVI. The
subsequent timelessness of the spiritual needs of a people who also
would not have existed in their present state but for your mortal
act, are entirely irrelevant.
If you believe this to be
incorrect then, please, convince us otherwise.
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It's nice to
tie up some loose ends...
Now, where was I? Oh, yes. Nigedo,
I have thought a lot about your concerns involving the questions for
Azura, and I must admit that I do not have any others to add to the
list--which appears to be okay because other members have come
forward to voice questions of their own.
My advice, at this
time, would be to go through the list and begin to eliminate those
questions that you feel are unlikely to elicit an answer from the
Daedric prince. For example, do we really want to ask about the
Dwemer? At the very least, it should be rewritten in a form that
applies to Vehk. Possibly, "Did Vehk have anything involvement in
the Dwemer Disappearance?" But even that isn't good enough. If Azura
does answer it, we will probably only receive a yes or a no. In
keeping with that idea, though, any of the other questions that you
feel are valid but offensive should be reworded.
Ainoryl, I
thank you again for the work you have done. Your expertise in this
matter is greatly appreciated. I would also like to offer my
services to you. I certainly am not as great as Loremaster Celarus
or Gosleigh, but I do know a thing or two.
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Thanks B.
That's all sound advice. If anything else occurs to you, don't
hesitate to bring it to the attention of the Court.
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Perhaps I
will, or perhaps you are simply trying to hold her here much longer
than any daedra summoner I have ever known would dare try. If that
is the case you are a very brave mer indeed.
I have some
questions for Azura as well, but they would most likely do more harm
than good so I will refrain from asking.
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If they
pertain to the trial, ask away. Azura need not hear it, if you think
that's wisest, but I would like to.
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"Sure, no
problem.......... it's your funeral.......eh, decision."
*
Pulls out his crystal. It's glowing brighter * * Looks around
checks crystal and moves on*
[If it happens to be the
direction your going, your following me now]
* Not haveing
to trouble with sticking to the shadows he moves with an almost
inhuman speed *
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The Tribunal gloriously usurped the worship of our
Anticipations, as was foretold in the words of
Veloth.
What words, dear Vehk? Would you
please quote the prophet rather than merely allude to his
affirmation. And please provide a corroboratory source or I will
deem this to be inadmissable as evidence.
I would refer you to any
number of passages within our Heirographa, whose corroborators would
be your own ancestors.
But I will not be drawn into a trial
better fit to take place in Holamayan. However
What a
wondrous love it is To bind two souls in faith
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...please explain clearly how you can describe the apotheoses
of Ayem and Seht as having taken place *earlier* than your own.
The account of Vivec's birth
in this our new world is well known, and therefore this is answered.
This son of a netchiman's wife would only say here, however, that
proposing to this court that he had always been is not the same
thing as saying he had no beginning.
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None of us did this out of criminal intent.
That is for this Court to decide
Vehk.
Point.
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In a parallel Time [the Good Daedra] were the sole divine
stewards of the Chimer. In the Time that healed itself to fit your
new god-images, they were reduced to mere 'anticipations' of the
divine stewards of the Dunmer.
We shall never know what may
have eventually occurred in the world before now, so I am not sure
how to defend myself against this implication.
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The Chimer themselves became a people accordingly tainted by
the very crime that sundered the Time of their own fore-images and
reforged them as the unwitting inheritors of the Dunmeri
curse.
What do you say to this?
I say nothing to this as it
stands, for I do not agree with the question. A non-event at an
unravelled place qualifies as a conundrum, but not a
crime.
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Tell us then what new needs of the Chimer sanctioned their
transformation into the Dunmer, the replacement of the most key
figures of their pantheon and the desolation of their homeland
into an ashen wasteland.
To answer in reverse: The land
of Veloth was as ash before the Temple. The key figures in the
pantheon had outgrown their usefulness. The needs that necessitated
the change from Chimer to Dunmer were new measures of defense
against the infidel, cultural reforms in house, vault, and social
services, and the spiritual advancement of the people and their
priests.
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While born of Padhome, [Daedra] are of too much ego to give
up their realms entirely, especially for altruism, which is
perhaps what they most hate.
This is mere conjecture on your
part. I see no evidence to support your opinion of the Daedra.
Having had Daedra as friends,
mentors, lovers, husbands, wives, servants, confidants, children,
hosts, guests, collaborators, and, for a time, countrymer, I move
this to...informed conjecture.
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Without the misuse of the Heart of the Missing God, you would
not have existed as Vivec of ALMSIVI. The subsequent timelessness
of the spiritual needs of a people who also would not have existed
in their present state but for your mortal act, are entirely
irrelevant.
If you believe this to be incorrect then,
please, convince us otherwise.
I ask the court, without
facetious intent, to rephrase this as a question I can understand,
and beg their indulgence to the unprofound.
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If a disaster is coming, and you know it, and yet do not tell
those in its path, you are a traitor, are you not?
Or a coward. I am
neither.
I predicted harm to herself and others, not a
disaster. And, as Ayem had always been First Face, it would have
been indecent to ask her plans without invitation. My only crime
here is not offering what consolation a brother should have to his
suffering sister.
I should also say that as ALMSIVI, I knew
below knowing some of the things felt, and desired, and contemplated
in madness. Therefore any crimes of Ayem I put forth to the court to
regard as my own.
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...you did not remove the Anticipations from your holy books.
But you did remove four other Daedra, equally worshipped under the
Prophet Veloth. Their worship was forbidden because they failed to
bow to you. What of them?
You are mistaken here. Many
Temple writings discuss the Corners at length, including the
guidance, admittedly hidden for the worthy, to worship the Four in
their aspect as Veloth's testers.
For their own safety, the
lay people were forbidden to worship the Corners, but instructed to
still regard them as holy.
And I can only forward that
ALMSIVI did not challenge madness, destruction, corruption, and
sickness because they did not bow to us...but rather on the merits
they exhibited even before our arrival.
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This has a very odd sound, from your lips... are you accusing
yourself of altruism?
That crime is Ayem's, Blessed
Be Her Holy Name.
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Was Nerevar indeed slain by the Tribunal, and if so, how was
Vehk involved?
Vehk already Admitted that he
has murdered Hortator. This is a redundant question. Its only
objective is to determine if the other two Triune also murdered or
were involved. If this is true, then it should be at the bottom of
the list of questions to ask Azura.
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Is the Vehk we see before us - stripped of his stolen Godhood
- the same being that existed before he used the Heart?
This should be the very first
question. Not only is it extremely important question that counter
argues Vehk's Defense, but it is a question presented by Stri'Ker.
So we should honor the first question as his.
I would like a
follow up question to this one to specify his mental state of mind.
"Do they have the same motivations?"
Something to this affect, where I would be able
to determine if Vehk the God is just as deceitful as Vehk the Mortal
or if they aren't. This question has been avoided by many of you,
I've asked it several times in many different forms. If this
question is not to be asked, I will then assume that since Vehk the
God had the same memories as Vehk the Mortal he is indeed the same
being mentally and that he is concealing, decieving and curtailing
as he has done. So I would like to see it asked because I would hear
what Azura would say on his motivations as Vehk the God. Basically,
I would like to know if the rapist is still raping, or is/was he
living a new life.
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What happened to the Dwemer?
While we all would like to
know this question, it is completely unrelated by its wording. If it
is rephrased like B has suggested. Like 'Did Vehk's use of the Heart
of Lorkan or something else eliminate or otherwise displace the
entire Dwemer race?' Something that relates Vehk to it. Even then,
this would only be a good question to know if he was mad enough to
eliminate the Dwemer and his own King to become a God from his power
hungry greed. Needs to be re-worked, but would like to see it as a
question possed.
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In your esteem, have the Tribunal paid for their crimes or
the crimes of their mortal forebears?
This needs to be re-worded.
"Have the Tribunal paid for their crimes of:
(add charge)" or "Have
the Tribunal mortal forebears paid for their crimes of: (add
charge)"
Ask one or the other, depending
on finding out if Vehk is the same or not. Ask the same question for
each crime, or ask that each 'charge' be answered by Azura if they
have been paid for or not. That way if they paid for breaking their
Oath to Azura, but not the Murder of Hortator we Counsel will know.
The first charge asked though should probably be the Murder of their
Hortator.
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If not, with the Chimer of Resdayn transformed into the
Dunmer of Morrowind, Sotha Sil slain at the hands of Almalexia,
and Almalexia slain at the hands of the now-missing Nerevarine,
what manner of penance could remain for Vehk with his divinity now
shorn?
Azura would not be able to
say. She is not the Judge nor Jury of this Court. Only the Court
Vehk has appointed will decide the penance of Vehk. And if he
refuses his own self appointed Court, then there will be other
prices to pay and not only among his people but the Gods especially
those whom consider Law Holy. And In truth I would think any
sentence us mortals hand down will be far more lineant then what the
Gods would do.
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Why have you taken such offence to Vehk's actions if he as
a god has done so much to benefit the people you love?
This is an unsubstantiated
question. First one would need to know if Azura has taken offence to
Vehk the Gods actions or Vehk the Mortals actions if they are the
same then just Vehk. Also it would have to be substantiated that
Vehk the God did benefit the people that Azura loves. If he has done
nothing but suppress them, then that would not be a 'benefit' So not
only unsubstantiated it is arguementative and it leads the witness.
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The Tribunal 'stole' godhood to help the Chimer people.
Here you plot to steal worship from the Tribunal, to steal the
Dunmer's hearts as you and Boethia did before, so many thousands
of years ago. How are you any different than Vehk, if not more
deceitful and selfish?
Leading the Witness,
Argumentative, and Unsubstantiated. Stealing Godhood and assinating
to usurp a King, and that very King later reclaims his throne are
not the same. He reclaims what has, and always has been his, as
deemed by the people, and still do, otherwise he would not be able
to reclaim it. So this question is already answered, NO Azura and
Boethiah are not deceitful or selfish. Many years have Ashlanders
and those whom worship them to have the Nerevar return. It is the
oppressed people's (Ashlanders) wishes. Also, if you poss such an
offensive question, you may not wake the next morning as some tales
go.
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In becoming gods of the Chimer, did Vivec and the other
Tribunes take upon themselves the spiritual welfare of the Chimer,
thereby removing the Chimer from the divine stewardship of
Mephala, Azura and Boethiah?
Good question, but not the
most critical
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Should Vehk be found guilty of past transgressions in a
world that no longer lives, how might he find absolution?
This is the same question I
have answered already. Azura can not say, because she was not
appointed as Judge or Jury of the Court. His absolution to the Gods,
will be left to them, and we will likely find out when they do
punish him. His absolution to us mortals, will be answered by the
Court he appointed.
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Did the three Daedra Princes known as the Anticipations,
Azura, Boethiah, and Mephala, in fact bless the ascension of the
Tribunal to godhood?
No, there is no fact or
reliable written record that I can recall of Azura, Boethiah or
Mephala blessing the ascension of the Tribunal to godhood. This
should be re-worded to "Did Azura or Boethiah or
Mephala bless the ascension of the Tribunal to godhood? Please
answer Yes or No for each." Even if asked it is
likely the answer is No for Azura, simply because Azura made them
swear not to use the Heart. If she blessed it, then she would have
allowed the use of it. This isn't as critical as some of the other
questions, but should be asked.
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Are the words of the Tribunal Temple regarding the
Anticipations blasphemy, or worship?
Good question. But I would
have it re-worded. "In Vehk's Lessons, are the
words about the Anticipations blasphemy for the purpose of worship
or the purpose of suppressing the truth and if neither please
explain?"
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Vivec has admitted that he broke his oath to Nerevar not
to use the Tools of Kagrenac, an oath sworn on the name of Azura.
What is the penalty for such a broken oath?
Great question and would like
to see a follow up question to this one, if it is not obvious yet
that Azura has or has not punished Vehk for his broken oath. "Has Azura given out that penalty unto Vehk for such a
broken oath?" These should be good to ask but not
the most important.
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Why was the sin of ALMSIVI apparently visited upon the
children of Morrowind, in their transformation into Dunmer?
Good question but not the most
important. It might help to better understand the whole picture, but
not entirely nessesary.
===================================== Here's the order
I'd like to see them in.
1. "Is the Vehk
we see before us - stripped of his stolen Godhood - the same being
that existed before he used the Heart?"
- A. Follow up question "Did they have the
same motivations?"
2. Depends on
question #1 Please answer each charge seperately
- A. "Has Vehk paid for his crimes of: (add
charges)" or
- B. "Has Vehk the Mortal paid for his crimes
of: (add charges)"
3. "Vivec has admitted that he broke his oath to Nerevar
not to use the Tools of Kagrenac, an oath sworn on the name of
Azura. What is the penalty for such a broken
oath?"
- A. Follow-up question "Has Azura already
given out that penalty unto Vehk for such a broken oath?"
4. "Are the
words of the Tribunal Temple regarding the Anticipations blasphemy,
or worship?"
- A. Though this could be re-worded to something like "In Vehk's Lessons, are the words about the
Anticipations blasphemy for the purpose of worship or the purpose
of suppressing the truth and if neither please explain?"
5. Depends on Question
#4. If need more clarification then ask A, if not skip to 6.
- A. "In becoming gods of the Chimer, did
Vivec and the other Tribunes take upon themselves the spiritual
welfare of the Chimer, thereby removing the Chimer from the divine
stewardship of Mephala, Azura and Boethiah?"
6. "Why was the
sin of ALMSIVI apparently visited upon the children of Morrowind, in
their transformation into Dunmer?"
7. A
question that relates Vehk and "What happened to
the Dwemer?" like "What did
Vehk have to do with the Disappearance of the
Dwemer?"
8. The rest of the currently
possed questions should be asked prior to seven.
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Well parried
indeed Lord Vehk, you have lost none of your skill with words, how
efficient for a liar. Nonetheless, I hold your views on the Daedra
quite true in my opinion. That you have held such relations with the
Daedra though is not a brilliant part of your resume.
All
this is relevent to Vehk's guilt (I suppose), but much of it truly
would be better discussed in Holamayan. These crimes are against the
Daedra most of all, the Dunmer have simply gotten some of the
results. As far as I've seen, Vehk and ALMSIVI have been paid back
in full for their crimes in that area by Azura and the Nerevarine.
If this is all we have against him, let us just abandon this court
now.
The only other real charges are against Vehk for the
murder of Nerevar, which seems to have been set aside somewhat
because of Vehk's "god and mortal" speech. I to a certain extent
believe him, for even the Maruhkati lost their identities when they
were forced to fulfill the responsibilities of the Aedra. I do not
know if this is relevent, but I am starting to believe that Vehk as
we see him is not innocent, but cannot be charged, so to speak.
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Anu is the answer.
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the Enantiomorph. You may know them individually as Zurin Arctus and
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Why have you taken such offence to Vehk's actions if he as a
god has done so much to benefit the people you love?
This is an unsubstantiated
question. First one would need to know if Azura has taken offence
to Vehk the Gods actions or Vehk the Mortals actions if they are
the same then just Vehk.
I believe this much is
obvious. A quote from Vehk's account of his acquisition of godhood:
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And no sooner than we had completed our rituals and begun to
discover our new-found powers, the Daedra Lord Azura appeared and
cursed us for our foresworn oaths. By her powers of prophecy, she
assured us that her champion, Nerevar, true to his oath, would
return to punish us for our perfidy, and to make sure such profane
knowledge might never again be used to mock and defy the will of
the gods.
That's what the entire
"Nerevarine" incident was about. Azura did take offence, though
perhaps not over the Dunmer (*chuckle* she wasted no time cursing
them for something they didn't even do). Though I still can't help
but wonder why when Vehk seems to have, by his own quote brought the
Dunmer/Chimer to a new level of "spiritual advancement of the
people and their priests", not to mention that that the Daedra
had "outgrown their usefulness", Azura takes such offence.
Perhaps she simply didn't agree.
Hence my question is a
double edged sword. Perhaps a bit offensive in it's wording, but
legitimate nonetheless in the question of whether Vehk has commited
a crime in the realm of Dunmer religion.
By the way, a very
nice list Aquiantus.
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citizen who believes Anu is the answer.
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the Brass God was the Enantiomorph. You may know them individually
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The Tribunal gloriously usurped the worship of our
Anticipations, as was foretold in the words
of Veloth.
. What words, dear Vehk?
Would you please quote the prophet rather than merely allude to
his affirmation. And please provide a corroboratory source or I
will deem this to be inadmissable as evidence.
. I would refer you to any
number of passages within our Heirographa, whose corroborators
would be your own ancestors. . But I will not be drawn
into a trial better fit to take place in Holamayan. However .
What a wondrous love it is To bind two souls in
faith
In the complete absence of
reliable evidence, I beg this Court to disregard the notion that
Vehk has proposed, towhit: his apotheosis was both foretold and
therefore sanctioned by the Chimeri prophet Veloth.
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...please explain clearly how you can describe the
apotheoses of Ayem and Seht as having taken place *earlier* than
your own.
. The account of Vivec's
birth in this our new world is well known, and therefore this is
answered. This son of a netchiman's wife would only say here,
however, that proposing to this court that he had always been is
not the same thing as saying he had no beginning.
Yet, I challenge within this the
subtle implication that you were a younger and, by extension, a more
innocent party than your triune co-conspirers, whether as mortals or
immortals.
Is this, in fact, something you hope to persuade
the Court to accept? Or should we rather disregard that implication
as unintended?
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In a parallel Time [the Good Daedra] were the sole divine
stewards of the Chimer. In the Time that healed itself to fit
your new god-images, they were reduced to mere 'anticipations'
of the divine stewards of the Dunmer.
. We shall
never know what may have eventually occurred in the world before
now, so I am not sure how to defend myself
against this implication.
No indeed, nor shall we know
whether the three guardian daedra of the Chimer were sufficient to
their role, since that role was peremptorily denied them by your
actions. Correct?
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The Chimer themselves became a people accordingly tainted by
the very crime that sundered the Time of their own fore-images
and reforged them as the unwitting inheritors of the Dunmeri
curse. . What do you say to this?
. I say nothing to this as
it stands, for I do not agree with the question. A non-event at an
unravelled place qualifies as a conundrum, but not a
crime.
Vehk, this was not a non-event.
You cannot decide, since the event took place across two parallels
of Mundus, one of which no-longer exists, that it can be dismissed
as never having happened.
In steps then...
Following
treason and the breaking of a sacred oath, you stole a bridge to
godhood.
The Chimer people were transformed into the Dunmer
as a result of the actions of you and your confederates as mortals.
By owning the Dunmer people into existence, to replace the
Chimer who were bound to the gods you surplanted, you brought upon
these innocents the curse of your mortal actions.
Is *this*
a fair assessment or no?
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Tell us then what new needs of the Chimer sanctioned their
transformation into the Dunmer, the replacement of the most key
figures of their pantheon and the desolation of their homeland
into an ashen wasteland.
. To answer in reverse:
The land of Veloth was as ash before the Temple.
Nonsense. Red Mountain did not
erupt in this timeline until the Heart of Lorkhan was disturbed
through your meddling in 1E668.
*Nods in thanks to Xanathar
who passes him an old manuscript.*
I introduce into evidence
before this court, an excerpt from the Pocket Guide to the Empire: Morrowind;
"The vast Volcano of Tamriel, this giant mountain dominates the
north of Morrowind. It is a small continent all to itself, riven
from the rest of Morrowind by the remains of a colossal crater. On a
clear day (an exceedingly rare event), the peak can be seen from
Almalexia, 250 miles to the south. At the time of the Nord Conquest,
a Dwarven kingdom flourished in the north of Morrowind, the region
now covered by the Vvardenfell volcano. Indeed, this vanished realm
gave its name to the mighty volcano that obliterated it -
Vvardenfell is a Dwarven word meaning "City of the Strong Shield".
It is not known whether the Dwarves of Vvardenfell were
destroyed by the first eruption of the volcano, or whether they had
already met the mysterious fate of their brethren across Tamriel
(see Marobar Sul's Ancient Tales of the Dwemer for a full discussion
of the disappearance of the Dwarves). Certainly, the Kingdom of
Vvardenfell remained strong at the time of the Nord Conquest.
The doughty Dwarves, secure in their underground fastnesses
and united into one polity, were a far more formidable foe than the
divided and feuding Dark Elven clans, and remained independent when
the rest of Morrowind fell to the Nords.
The volcano first erupted in 1E 668; this date,
at least, is well attested in the written record. The eruption is
still recalled in the tales of numerous peoples - to the Nords it
was "The Year of Winter in Summer", to the khajiit, "Sun's Death"."
From this account we can see that many cultures of Tamriel
recall the time that Vvardenfell first erupted in 1E668.
Before that time, the land of Resdayn was certainly not the
ashen wasteland that it is now.
This is further
supported by the published work of my learned colleague Hasphat
Antabolis, as I am sure he will confirm. Antabolis once stated that
from his own studies of the earliest extant human records;
"I found ancient maps which showed no island in the north of
modern Morrowind -- just a region labeled "Dwemereth" which
encompassed the island of Vvardenfell as we know it as well as a
rather wide swath of what is now the mainland.
Indeed, as
best as could be made out from the rather crude map, the coastline
once extended some distance further north than Vvardenfell does
now."
I would say that this supports the view that the first
major eruption of Vvardenfell contributed to the destruction of a
large portion of the heartland of Resdayn and did not take place
until the Dwemeri people were well established.
Moreover
Vehk, we learn from excerpts from your own Book
of Hours that certain events accompany a break of the
Sideways-Wheel.
I introduce into evidence before the Court,
the followig excerpt from Vehk's own teachings;
"…Of special note is the Blue Star, which the Alesstics call
'Mnemoli', that runs through this part of the Aurbis every untime.
The psijiics hold it in much reverence, and many of their
folk make pilgrimages to Veloth when it appears because a mountain
there catches fire at its passing.
This mountain is reputed
to be one of the last refuges of the Dwemer before they departed
from this world…
...Like many of her siblings, Mnemoli is
both confused and delighted with the Aurbis, and explores its five
quarters as best she can without the help and regulation of worship,
which are not needed (by which I mean, always there) during
breakings of the sideways wheel…"
Here, you describe that the Star known as Menemoli will
chart a passage close by a specified mountain "every untime". That
is to say that during a break in the Dragon, Mnemoli has the freedom
to roam the Aurbis.
One consequence of her close passage to
the mountain, that is obviously Vvardenfell, is that it "catches
fire". This is clearly a thinly veiled reference to Vvardenfell
erupting as a consequence of a break in the Dragon.
You have
already testified Vehk that your own actions caused such a Dragon
break. I submit that the Break you caused through misuse of the
Heart of Lorkhan to become a god was instumental in the first
eruption of the Vvardenfell volcano.
You disturbed the
powers within the Heart and those powers swelled up and broke out
upon the resting place of the Heart, causing Resdayn to become the
ashen wasteland it is now.
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The key figures in the pantheon had outgrown their
usefulness.
So say you.
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The needs that necessitated the change from Chimer to Dunmer
were new measures of defense against the infidel, cultural reforms
in house, vault, and social services, and the spiritual
advancement of the people and their priests.
Very vague Master Vehk. Perhaps
you would care to elucidate?
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Without the misuse of the Heart of the Missing God, you
would not have existed as Vivec of ALMSIVI. The subsequent
timelessness of the spiritual needs of a people who also would
not have existed in their present state but for your mortal act,
are entirely irrelevant. . If you believe this to be
incorrect then, please, convince us otherwise.
. I ask the court, without
facetious intent, to rephrase this as a question I can understand,
and beg their indulgence to the unprofound.
Very well then. You have stated..
"And so from their basis did we spring, called to heaven by
violence, our people throwing our mantles to us across stars, and
across time, and magic and dream, and here we remain."
Here,
you suggest that your godly mantle, and by this I understand you to
mean your people's spiritual mandate, was gifted to you across the
displacement between the worlds that existed 'before' and 'after'
your ascent to godhood.
But this is a nonsense. Indeed,
there was a cause and effect in the creation of your relationship
with the Dunmer and it was not instigated by the Dunmer people. It
was instigated by your mortal actions.
The people were
changed to fit your need as a god not the other way around as you
would apparently have this Court believe. Had you not tampered with
the Heart of Lorkhan, do you suppose that the Chimer would have
transformed themselves?
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Why have you taken such offence to Vehk's actions if he as
a god has done so much to benefit the people you love?
This is an unsubstantiated
question. First one would need to know if Azura has taken
offence to Vehk the Gods actions or Vehk the Mortals actions if
they are the same then just Vehk.
I believe this much is
obvious. A quote from Vehk's account of his acquisition of
godhood:
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And no sooner than we had completed our rituals and begun to
discover our new-found powers, the Daedra Lord Azura appeared
and cursed us for our foresworn oaths. By her powers of
prophecy, she assured us that her champion, Nerevar, true to his
oath, would return to punish us for our perfidy, and to make
sure such profane knowledge might never again be used to mock
and defy the will of the gods.
That's what the entire
"Nerevarine" incident was about. Azura did take offence, though
perhaps not over the Dunmer (*chuckle* she wasted no time cursing
them for something they didn't even do). Though I still can't help
but wonder why when Vehk seems to have, by his own quote brought
the Dunmer/Chimer to a new level of "spiritual advancement of
the people and their priests", not to mention that that the
Daedra had "outgrown their usefulness", Azura takes such
offence. Perhaps she simply didn't agree.
Hence my question
is a double edged sword. Perhaps a bit offensive in it's wording,
but legitimate nonetheless in the question of whether Vehk has
commited a crime in the realm of Dunmer religion.
By the
way, a very nice list Aquiantus.
Well I initially like your
question, I think it could use alittle more re-wording though. So
you would be able to slice with the double-edged sword better. If
worded better I would probably have yours as #6-8 on my list of
questions. Unfortunetely I wasn't sure of your double-edged meanings
and so I didn't attempt to re-word it. It is definitely not the
worst but not the most critical to me, though I can see others might
find this more important on the list then me.
Of course, my
list is just my objectional opinion.
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here's a reworded question:
According to Vehk, he brought
about a new age of wisdom for the Dunmer. Is this so, and if it is
why have you sought to punish him for helping your people to a
better existence?
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I would refer you to any number of passages within our
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In the complete absence of reliable evidence, I beg this
Court to disregard the notion that Vehk has proposed, towhit:
his apotheosis was both foretold and therefore sanctioned by the
Chimeri prophet Veloth.
Careful. You are barely
staying within the whole of the rules, and willfully breaking the
ones you know.
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...please explain clearly how you can describe the
apotheoses of Ayem and Seht as having taken place *earlier* than
your own.
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I challenge within this the subtle implication that you were
a younger and, by extension, a more innocent party than your
triune co-conspirers, whether as mortals or immortals.
Is
this, in fact, something you hope to persuade the Court to
accept? Or should we rather disregard that implication as
unintended?
And the Chancellor ran as
milk…
I cannot be caught, my dear Nigedo. But, yes, if you
are offering, if the dawn exists before its rise, then it is guilty
of light. I take their offenses as my own.
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…nor shall we know whether the three guardian daedra of the
Chimer were sufficient to their role, since that role was
peremptorily denied them by your actions. Correct?
Inasmuch as we shall never
know, yes, we shall never know.
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In steps then...
Following treason and the breaking of
a sacred oath, you stole a bridge to godhood.
I defer to the summoning of
Azura and the one, true Nerevar to the allegations of treason and
oath-breaking.
But I gladly—no, delightfully—admit to
stealing my bridge to godhood! Let the court record I would do it
again and again. Moreover, I’ve left instructions for others to do
the same, and look more pretty than I did doing it!
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The Chimer people were transformed into the Dunmer as a result
of the actions of you and your confederates as mortals.
I will assume you mean their
physical change here, not the stronger but more subtle fundamental
change. The second I will gladly—no, delightfully—take credit
for.
For the former, no, I cannot say they were transformed
as a result of the actions ALMSIVI took while mortal.
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By owning the Dunmer people into existence, to replace the
Chimer who were bound to the gods you surplanted [sic], you
brought upon these innocents the curse of your mortal
actions.
Is *this* a fair assessment or no?
Ha ha ha. For one, I must
again ask this court not to apply more conventional opinions to
these matters, to whit: the first Chimer to admit he was innocent
from the start never made the journey to Veloth at all.
For
seconds, what is this predilection for making this alleged ‘curse’
synonymous with our physical change? How are we worse from before?
In fact, I like the particular look so much I wear it myself half
the time.
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I would say that this supports the view that the first major
eruption of Vvardenfell contributed to the destruction of a large
portion of the heartland of Resdayn and did not take place until
the Dwemeri people were well established.
I agree with this, and applaud
your scholarship. Major eruption or no, Veloth was still full of ash
prior to the Temple. I would quote myself, but fear for appearances.
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You disturbed the powers within the Heart and those powers
swelled up and broke out upon the resting place of the Heart,
causing Resdayn to become the ashen wasteland it is now.
I refute the phrasing ‘swelled
up and broke out upon…’
What we did was far more calculated,
precise in accordance with laws set down in ancient days.
Unfortunately I cannot present you with the drafts of Magnus we
worked from. I love you too much.
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The needs that necessitated the change from Chimer to Dunmer
were new measures of defense against the infidel, cultural
reforms in house, vault, and social services, and the spiritual
advancement of the people and their priests.
Very vague Master Vehk. Perhaps
you would care to elucidate?
On four thousand years of my
regime? Could you even last that long, even if I taught you how to
breathe water?
I only point to four thousand years of peace
and glory and holiness to speak on its own behalf.
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"And so from their basis did we spring, called to heaven by
violence, our people throwing our mantles to us across stars, and
across time, and magic and dream, and here we
remain."
Here, you suggest that your godly mantle, and by
this I understand you to mean your people's spiritual mandate, was
gifted to you across the displacement between the worlds that
existed 'before' and 'after' your ascent to godhood.
Not exactly, but good enough
for the purposes of your next argument.
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But this is nonsense. Indeed, there was a cause and effect in
the creation of your relationship with the Dunmer and it was not
instigated by the Dunmer people. It was instigated by your mortal
actions.
The people were changed to fit your need as a god
not the other way around as you would apparently have this Court
believe.
Wait, are we putting the
universe on trial here? We will need a bigger hall.
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Had you not tampered with the Heart of Lorkhan, do you suppose
that the Chimer would have transformed themselves?
I answer this in this way:
Without the Heart, the glory of the Dunmer would have never grown as
radiant.
I question this in this way: Is there a point,
Master?
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For seconds, what is this predilection for making this alleged
‘curse’ synonymous with our physical change? How are we worse from
before? In fact, I like the particular look so much I wear it
myself half the time.
*laughs* You told the
Truth!!!
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On four thousand years of my regime? Could you even last that
long, even if I taught you how to breathe water?
I only
point to four thousand years of peace and glory and holiness to
speak on its own behalf.
AGAIN! Lord Vehk you have
saved me from a golden muscle memory!
If you are no longer a
liar then have you not become a child once again who creates it's
own Truths? If it would ever make you happy, could you answer so
that the colorblind may see the spectrum of it?
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Wait, are we putting the universe on trial here? We will need
a bigger hall.
No, not the Universe. Merely the
portion that calls itself Vehk. You did not, however, respond to the
point.
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I question this in this way: Is there a point, Master?
Yes, and you appear to have
side-stepped it.
Thank you Vehk, I must rest now and
resharpen my teeth.
*Withdraws*
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But I gladly—no, delightfully—admit to stealing my bridge to
godhood! Let the court record I would do it again and again.
Moreover, I’ve left instructions for others to do the same, and
look more pretty than I did doing it!
Vehk, you are as wrong as any
mortal could possibly be. I leave your punishment to the
divine (though I would not mind this court speeding your trip to
meet them), but you have gone mad. You would bring others to the
doom that you have brought on yourself? You spoke of a guilty
conscience at the beginning, I don't believe it for a second. You
would drag the entire world down with you, as Lorkhan once did.
Behold his fate, much the same as yours ironically.
You are
perhaps not as guilty as Azura, Boethiah, and Mephala (your
so-called Anticipation), but they are not mortal. They lie out of
our reach for the cleansing they so desperately need. I doubt you
will let this Tribunal doom you (you've already done that yourself),
but your deeds will catch you even more than they already have. I do
not envy your fate.
Only fools would take the same road. I
doubt we will see many fools after your death (whenever it comes).
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Thank you for
your input, Aquiantus. I would remind you, though, that this court
does not lie under the rules of debate you are familiar with. There
can be no question of "leading the witness," for example. This is a
Dunmer court, following different rules, even more
ancient.
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Azura can not say, because she was not appointed as Judge or
Jury of the Court. His absolution to the Gods, will be left to
them, and we will likely find out when they do punish him. His
absolution to us mortals, will be answered by the Court he
appointed.
This isn't quite right. This
was the charge of the Tribunal, given to us by Vehk:
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And since Vehk and Vehk will not give ground on his soul to
any but his equals, I appoint my own Tribunal to charge me. And I
command them to do their best to damn me, even if it tugs at their
conscience.
We are to charge him, and to
damn him.
And this is why we summon Azura:
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Why did I leave the Nerevarine two accounts of his death, one
that I could have easily erased from the minds of my own people?
Because he is Hortator, GHARTOK PADHOME AE ALTADOON DUNMERI, my
lord and king in this world and the last, and as Vehk and Vehk I
murdered him, then raised him, then taught to him to know, and so
would I have it when he came to me at last that he decide.
So. Vehk says that Nerevar
must decide whether he trespassed against Nerevar. And Azura is
summoned to speak on behalf of Nerevar, also at Vehk's suggestion.
It is therefore very much to the point what punishment she deems
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To elucidate
slightly on our Lady's words, I must remind those present that we
are not bound to the instructions of Azura or Nerevar on the subject
of punishment or guilt. It still falls to we, the Council, to
determine the final verdict and to judge the defendants guilt and
punishment.
We seek counsel from Azura. No small trifle (to
be sure), but nothing more and nothing less.
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Nigedo, far be
it from me to defend the accused, but I must point out that the
tales (of doubtful authenticity, to be sure, but nonetheless almost
the only evidence we have) of Marobar Sul corroborate Vehk's version
of history.
From The Seed Ancient Tales of the Dwemer,
Part II
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When Juhnin then turned his axe on the Hist, he killed the
land. The water disappeared, the animals died, and all the other
life that the trees nourished crumbled and dried to
dust.
According to this story, the
Dwemer were responsible for much of the devastation of Vvardenfell.
The publisher's notes state that this is a retelling of a
tale usually associated with the Dunmer of Sadrith Mora, rather than
the Dwemer. But, in any case, it suggests that the ash of
Vvardenfell is not entirely the fault of the volcano.
The
Blight, on the other hand, is clearly of magical origin, and is also
clearly the result of tampering with the Heart.
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Vehk:
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The needs that necessitated the change from Chimer to Dunmer
were new measures of defense against the infidel, cultural reforms
in house, vault, and social services, and the spiritual
advancement of the people and their priests.
If I understand correctly, you
intimate that the Chimer people prospered by their transformation -
that they would not have been able to meet the challenges of the
centuries hence without the 'change'.
Are you saying that
your people, left as the Chimer, would have been ill-suited to face
the Imperials? That they might have been wiped out rather than sign
the Armistice?
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what is this predilection for making this alleged ‘curse’
synonymous with our physical change? How are we worse from before?
So - the curse upon the
Chimer/Dunmer, by Azura, need not be tied to their transformation?
Is this rhetoric or revelation here, Lord Vehk? Are you saying that
the transformation of the Dunmer people is NOT by Azura's hand?
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I predicted harm to herself and others, not a disaster.
Surely you don't expect me to
let you get away with that. You knew Ayem and her strength; you knew
better than any other what strength was left to her after the
destruction of the Heart; therefore you knew that 'harm to herself
and others' could not be other than disastrous.
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I should also say that as ALMSIVI, I knew below knowing some
of the things felt, and desired, and contemplated in madness.
Therefore any crimes of Ayem I put forth to the court to regard as
my own.
Fair enough. Be it as you have
spoken.
The crimes of Ayem, Almalexia of the Tribunal, in her
madness, included her orders to the Nerevarine: to create ashstorms
over the city of Mournhold; to slay her lover and Hand, Salas Valor;
and also her personal acts, which include the murder of Sotha
Sil.
On other subjects.
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And I can only forward that ALMSIVI did not challenge madness,
destruction, corruption, and sickness because they did not bow to
us...but rather on the merits they exhibited even before our
arrival.
Interesting. This is at odds
with the teachings of your own Temple. But you are saying that the
Temple teachings, to the masses, were lies.
I submit that
murder and deception are also of doubtful merit, at least to those
who are murdered and deceived, many of whom were among your own
people. But murder and deception remained because they served you,
personally. Your explanation seems to be a long winded way of saying
that you chose the Daedra who pleased you and rejected the others. I
fail to see that this has anything to do with the worship of Daedra
taught by Veloth. And, since a large part of your argument rests on
yourself as the culmination of Veloth's faith, this is a critical
point.
Your explanations all amount to the same thing. You
chose to make yourself a god; you devalued the other gods in the way
that was most useful to you; and you attribute your authority to
sources which neither recognize nor approve you.
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So - the curse upon the Chimer/Dunmer, by Azura, need not be
tied to their transformation? Is this rhetoric or revelation here,
Lord Vehk? Are you saying that the transformation of the Dunmer
people is NOT by Azura's hand?
Louis, I believe his Lordship
is saying that the physical transformation of the Dunmer was only
part of a much greater change.
You wear the look very well,
Vehk. But beneath your gaily-colored skin, you are terrible and
cruel. I cannot say what you were like before, or what the Velothi
were like. Tell me. Are they transformed for the better? Are you?
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It still falls to we, the Council, to determine the final
verdict and to judge the defendants guilt and punishment.
I agree with this assessment.
The High Council in the Great Houses often times votes on whom is to
become their Hortator. In this same way the High Council will rule
over this court as Judges and Jury. I can not see the "High Counsil"
as being anything other then a Council that presides over,
otherwise, why call it High Counsil? So I agree that the High
Counsil is not only the Voting body but the Ruling body
aswell.
Also here is what Vehk says about the High
Counsil.
"And a High Council to sway or
solidify their position, or to generally throw stones and verses."
FYI Sway can be, but not always, defined
as
"2. To influence or direct by power and
authority; by persuasion, or by moral force; to rule; to govern; to
guide.
Hadst thou swayed as kings should do. --Shak."
So basically the High Counsil can 1.
Rule, Govern, and Guide or influence directly with power and
authority. OR 2. Confirm or Unconfirm their positions OR 3.
Generally throw stones and verses.
Since High Counsil is the
only one Vehk mentions elusively or perhaps by mistake as being the
Judges and Jury, then thus it has been written, and so shall it be
done. I believe Vehk was being elusive on purpose. But, that is just
my opinion, and since this needed clarification, we now have
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We are to charge him, and to damn him.
To confirm what LDones has
stated above, I will quote directly from Vehk from his
appointment.
"I appoint my own Tribunal to
charge me. And I command them to do their best to damn me, even if
it tugs at their conscience"
This means
do your best as Prosecutor not as a Judge to charge
him.
"Thence does this Tribunal charge me
and hold me to debate and parley, and against every charge they
bring I shall either win through my proofs or eat the seven swords."
Try to convict him by doing what a
Prosecutor would do, not Judge.
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Thank you for your input, Aquiantus. I would remind you,
though, that this court does not lie under the rules of debate you
are familiar with. There can be no question of "leading the
witness," for example. This is a Dunmer court, following different
rules, even more ancient.
Absolutely, I don't know the
rules of this Court. None of us have a very clear idea and we all
are stumbling in the dark. So I'll remind you that you do not know
if it is apart of that law or not either. I don't pretend to know
everything, I do know that the Prosecutor should not be kissing the
Defendant during the Trial, simply based on ethical practices and
duty. After Vehk's trial, you may do as you please, but lets try to
be alittle more professional during the trial shall
we.
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Cruel and
Terrible? Well, admittedly, I can imagine how terrible Vivec would
be if aroused to anger, but cruel? How would you call someone
responsible for peace with the empire, the drastic changes within
the Temple to better the Dunmer people and the expelling of Akaviri
hordes cruel?
I think those three things I just named are
good enough examples that Vehk has changed for the better because of
his Godhood, regardless of how he came upon it.
I do wish to
hear of the Chimer, and how they were improved by his apotheosis,
though. Tell us, Vehk, what were the people like before the world
changed courses.
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Aquiantus, if
you must throw stones, throw them at the accused, not at me. You may
cast one stone at him freely, and then he may arm himself against
you.
There is no question of being "professional". I am
neither an Imperial nor a lawyer. I am Mercy of this Tribunal. I
will not be false to my charge.
You are welcome to try to
influence me. That is the function of the Council. Do not assume
that because you do not know the law, I do not.
It surprises
me that you quote Vehk's words about the function of the Council,
but not those about the function of the Tribunal.
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accuses me of crime or crimes, and to which my final judgment is
foregone unless I save myself.
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Pardon my
absence, but I have had some matters to attend to in
Wayrest.
I am still ill at ease about these proceedings and
what the consequences of these many deeds may hold. I myself wish to
throw no stones in any direction.
And I still await Azura's
appearance with much anticipation (pardon the pun). I believe she
will be kept quite busy enough by your questions. Even if only a
small portion are answered, I hope them to be rather enlightening.
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My fellow
Council members - it occurs to me that some clarification of the
Rules for these proceedings may be in order. The Tribunal's
appointments were made at the outset, but the Rules themselves are
ancient.
I have included them in our mystic record of the Trial here, but will repeat
them here so we may continue with their particulars fresh in our
minds: Code:
I. It is the function of the Tribunal, or Judges, to create and enforce the Rules of Court, and to ultimately hold
the final say on the Verdict.
i. The Tribunal may alter the Rules of Court at any time during the Trial, if they deem it appropriate.
ii. While within the confines of the Court, the authority of the Tribunal is absolute.
iii. The appointed Tribunal for this Trial are as follows:
Mercy - Allerleirauh, Nordic Adventuress and Lady of Grace
Mystery - Hasphat Antabolis, Imperial Scholar and Warrior
Mastery - Nigedo, Dunmeri Master of the Whirling School
II. It is the function of the High Council, or Those Assembled and Appointed, to engage in debate, to throw
Stones and Verses, and attempt to influence the Tribunal and its decisions.
i. For the purposes of this Court, each Council member may cast One Stone at Vehk before he will
allow himself to retaliate.
ii. The High Council for this Trial are we, the gathered masses - scholars, rogues, and villains all.
III. The Accused, known as the god-king Vivec, or Vehk, must prove or win by words his innocence.
The difference of the functions of the
Tribunal themselves and we the High Council must be noted. I confess
some guilt at the muddling of these terms in our minds - in my zeal
for inclusive speech, I have often referred to our combined body of
the Court as simply the Council. Thus it is our duty as a
combined Court to decide the guilt or innoncence of the god-king
Vivec - though the ultimate naming of the verdict falls to the
appointed Tribunal, as it must
Do not let my oversimplicity
of terminology confuse you, I beg you.
The Trial Record will be updated again in a day or
two's time unless it is called for specifically. May you of the
Court have a restful Loredas and Sunddas.
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Ah, before I
go, I would pose a question to you, Lord Vehk:
In
reviewing the early record of the Trial, I see that you stated you
would bring forth the voices of both Dagoth Ur and Alandro Sul as
witnesses in your defense. Is this still true? And if so, will they
be available for cross-examination?
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quietly and listens*
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Another legal
point worth mentioning, and I quote from Anchivius’s “Legal
Basics”:
Quote:
The Tamriel legal system has its basis in the civilized,
reasonable credo uttered by the prophet Marukh in the first era:
"All are guilty until they have proven themselves innocent." Were
truer word ever spoke?
Thus, it is not enough that
Vehk offers response to our questions. He must prove himself
guiltless beyond a reasonable doubt.
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Thank you,
Gosleigh. As usual, you are quite correct.
Louis, we have
already heard from Alandro Sul, after a fashion. But you are wise to
point out that we have not heard from Dagoth Ur. What of the
Sharmat?
Do not make too much of my kissing the
defendant. I have it on good authority that he will kiss a scrib, if
nothing else strikes his fancy.
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You intend to
bring forth the shade of Dagoth Ur? Is that safe?
... Oh
dear, oh dear, what have I gotten myself into? ... I shouldn't be
here ... Perhaps, I can call Celarus back to take my place ...
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My fellow Council members - it occurs to me that some
clarification of the Rules for these proceedings may be in order.
The Tribunal's appointments were made at the outset, but the Rules
themselves are ancient.
I have included them in our mystic record of the Trial here, but will repeat
them here so we may continue with their particulars fresh in our
minds: Code:
I. It is the function of the Tribunal, or Judges, to create and enforce the Rules of Court, and to ultimately hold the final say on the Verdict. i. The Tribunal may alter the Rules of Court at any time during the Trial, if they deem it appropriate. ii. While within the confines of the Court, the authority of the Tribunal is absolute. iii. The appointed Tribunal for this Trial are as follows: Mercy - Allerleirauh, Nordic Adventuress and Lady of Grace Mystery - Hasphat Antabolis, Imperial Scholar and Warrior Mastery - Nigedo, Dunmeri Master of the Whirling School
II. It is the function of the High Council, or Those Assembled and Appointed, to engage in debate, to throw Stones and Verses, and attempt to influence the Tribunal and its decisions. i. For the purposes of this Court, each Council member may cast One Stone at Vehk before he will allow himself to retaliate. ii. The High Council for this Trial are we, the gathered masses - scholars, rogues, and villains all.
III. The Accused, known as the god-king Vivec, or Vehk, must prove or win by words his innocence.
The difference of the functions of the
Tribunal themselves and we the High Council must be noted. I
confess some guilt at the muddling of these terms in our minds -
in my zeal for inclusive speech, I have often referred to our
combined body of the Court as simply the Council. Thus it
is our duty as a combined Court to decide the guilt or
innoncence of the god-king Vivec - though the ultimate naming of
the verdict falls to the appointed Tribunal, as it must
Do
not let my oversimplicity of terminology confuse you, I beg you.
The
Trial Record will be updated again in a day or
two's time unless it is called for specifically. May you of the
Court have a restful Loredas and Sunddas.
You would have me believe that
these rules including are not brand new? Under clause I.iii. You
name all three Tribunals by name, this Document is obviously made
up. I know without a doubt that they did not exist in Ancient times
and so would not have had their names printed upon the Document that
you so clumsily presented before us.
I deny this document and
claim.
I'll not be apart of a Court whom has members whom
just make up laws on the fly to see fit their own
Justice.
You will not have me believe Vehk was ignorant in
his use of words? You have left me with little
choice.
Definition of Sway
"v. tr. To cause to
swing back and forth or to and fro. To cause to incline or bend
to one side. Nautical. To hoist (a mast or yard) into position.
To divert; deflect. To exert
influence on or control over: His speech swayed the voters.
Archaic. To rule or govern. To wield,
as a weapon or scepter.
n. The act of moving from side
to side with a swinging motion. Power;
influence. Dominion or control. "
By
Vehk's own words, I deny the your claim to authority. Vehk giving
Sway to High Council is the only Legitimate Claim currently. I have
never seen this written record of this document before the
appointment to Govern and Rule by Vehk of his appointed High
Council. Therefor, since High Council was given 'sway' by Vehk
himself, the Court will adhere to High Council until PRIOR written
document and record is provided as proof to their claim of authority
which they will then use to appeal to the Emporer's Court of
Appeals. If that document can not be shown as having been in existed
before then it remains false as the document LDones has produced.
The above document will be removed from the courtroom
Immdediately.
Since the Court adheres to the High Council and
there is a dispute by others that the High Council is not the
Authority, they may appeal to the Emporer's Courts to dispute such
Authority. Until the Emporer's Courts have Ruled on this matter,
this Tribunal Court will adhere to the High Council as having the
power 'to Sway' given to them by Vehk. The Tribunal will "charge" as
the only power given to them by Vehk, failure to do so from now own
will result in the immediate removal of the Tribunal. There will be
no new laws made up by Vehk or his lackeys as I've been informed
they have only done only recently in the last few days. Therefor,
based on my spies, I conclude that Authority in this Court still be
retained by High Council, Imperial Law will reside with us until the
Emporer's Courts hears the Appeal from Vehk and his lackeys on this
matter.
Bailiff is instructed to remove
the parties whom object to this ruling Immediately.
All Tribunals will now poss all questions
through Nigedo from now on. He will be their voice only. If they do
not comply they will be removed from this Court aswell. Allerleirauh and LDones are to be arrested for contempt
of Court. They are hereby banished from these proceedings.
If the Emporer's Court of Appeals find
that the Tribunal are the authority and that Vehk was ignorant in
use of words by giving Sway to High Council, then and only then,
will High Council relinquish its authority on this matter. Until
then Imperial Law will be enforced in this Courtroom. New laws will
not be "made up" or changed as a Tribunal or Vehk lackeys like
LDones whom see fit to at any time. High Council will not make up
new Laws either, Law is Holy and only the Emporer has the true
authority to grant its change.
If authority is given back to
Tribunal, all authority prior to that will still be in effect and
will not be subject to change. That includes but not limited to the
Imperial Law, and also that Tribunal will only charge, and that all
Tribunals poss their questions through Nigedo from hence forth, and
those whom are banished remain so.
Vehk will adhere to this
new ruling, if he wishes to appeal to the Emporer's Court of Appeals
then that is his right. Until then, Vehk will accept this authority
he has given to High Council and he will let others know he did give
them by his own will and he will make it clear to others, or he will
be taken into custody by Soldiers to await a new trial under
Imperial Rules for contempt of Court and Treason to Holy
Law.
Aswell the name High Council will not be mocked, and it
will not be in the same category as thieves. It is the Ruling and
Voting Body of the Great Houses, in this Trial it is the Ruling and
Voting Body aswell. Unless this is the second word Vehk was Ignorant
in using which I doubt. Vehk is not that
stupid.
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*watches the
court room through a magical window*
"Goodness, isn't this
interesting. He-Who-Limps, fetch me my grapes."
*smirks as
the slightly deformed Argonian stumbles out of the room*
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and the barriers broken, who will you be? Where will you stand? Will
you find yourself empty, having only defined yourself through
others? Or will you be your own person, and stand tall in your own
magnificence? That, my friends, is the difference between heaven and
hell; it is known as 'identity'." - Anonymous
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Bailiff is instructed to remove the parties
whom object to this ruling Immediately. All
Tribunals will now poss all questions through Nigedo from now on.
He will be their voice only. If they do not comply they will be
removed from this Court aswell. Allerleirauh
and LDones are to be arrested for contempt of Court. They are
hereby banished from these proceedings.
By whose authority do you
presume to issue these "orders"? The Bailiff does not answer to any
one individual in this Court, but to the Empire and the will of the
assembly-at-large.
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Egg Beater,
Egg Beater, you've made quite a mess! Egg Beater, Egg Beater, now
it's time to confess!
Were your Words the kin of a red,
sleeping haze? If the answer is yes could They be the same in
golden days?
We all know the Sharmat was dark and treacherous
bone! Does that make a Sermon cast of stone?
*pleads for
Sheogorath to dance in time for Ser Tri-Eye's
audition*
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Are you
calling Vehk ignorant? That's one stone, my friend.
If you
desire to take away the cage, leaving the tiger loose in your midst,
you are a fool.
Shall we continue?
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Yes,
Aquinatus, do back off. Your twisting of definitions is not only
wrongheaded, but unlovely. The rules are as currently stated by our
archivist, and the Tribunal governs this court according to my
wishes. No more of this. If you merely wanted one of my kisses, you
could have asked. Or at least showboated with better splendor.
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I can only
thank my mother that I was born less than a scrib...
*hides*
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Quote:
The rules are as currently stated by our archivist, and the
Tribunal governs this court according to my wishes.
Indeed, and lest anyone forget
the Emperor's own words, I quote here what he said regarding the
court:
"I have already placed my faith and sanction in the
integrity and authority of the court. The court is a thing of the
Law, The Empire is the Law, and the Law is Holy."
Anyone who
questions the authority of this Court, in effect, questions the
authority of the Emperor himself.
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Quote:
Quote:
The rules are as currently stated by our archivist, and the
Tribunal governs this court according to my wishes.
Indeed, and lest anyone
forget the Emperor's own words, I quote here what he said
regarding the court:
"I have already placed my faith and
sanction in the integrity and authority of the court. The court is
a thing of the Law, The Empire is the Law, and the Law is
Holy."
Anyone who questions the authority of this Court, in
effect, questions the authority of the Emperor himself.
Exactly, he said Court and not
Tribunal. He would have said Tribunal not Court if that was the
authority, but it is the Court not the Tribunal with the authority.
The only ones given Authority to Rule or Govern is the word 'to
sway' given by Vehk to the High Council rather he accidently did it
or not.
That is what I am saying. While you may think I have
twisted your words Vehk. The word is listed in this Dictionary So
while now you did not mean to give authority to the High Council, it
is already done by your own words, and can not be reversed. Thus, by
that authority and any other High Councilors whom claim this aswell,
will see that this court not degenerate futher into some intimate
fiesta. You keep mentioning kisses and that it is I that wants these
kisses, but I want Order and not to have this court degenerate into
a Circus. I stated that along time ago. So you'll have to forgive me
if I take up your own words of 'to sway' and enforce Order into this
court in the name of the Emporer whom you seem to be mocking by not
following your own Authority you gave unto the High Council. Even if
you have slipped or misused the word, it is still in affect. And so
I now call upon my fellow High Councilors to take back what this
Court.
As tegger said, her authority is by the masses and by
the Empire. So I now call on the masses to take back what should be
theirs.
I ask that Allerleirauh be replaced as Tribunal and
removed from this court for unprofessionalism. All High Counsilors
in favor say Aye.
-------------------- Alchemy Machine
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Exactly, he said Court and not Tribunal. He would have said
Tribunal not Court if that was the authority, but it is the Court
not the Tribunal with the authority.
My dear Aquiantus, I'm sure we
all applaud your commitment to the attempt to maintain the solemnity
of this Court. However, you seem to forget that the Emperor
obviously knew in advance of his arrival the identities of the
chosen Tribunal for these proceedings, and his words would seem to
implicitly sanction their selection as well as their actions.
Still, if you wish to formally enter a complaint or poll
regarding that selection, I submit that you should do so in another
Hall, for fear that your very wish not to have a circus here does
indeed turn this Hall into a spectacle. Then if there is sufficient
evidence and support to warrant it, I'll immediately send emissaries
to the Emperor's office for a ruling.
OOC: I must remind
everyone to remember that roleplaying is one thing, but taking it
too far ruins the experience for everyone. Please be considerate of
others both in-character and out. Thanks.
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Aquiantus:
If I may, I will direct you to the original agreement to this Trial by Vehk,
wherein the seperation of funciton between High Council and Tribunal
is clearly defined - the confusion regarding this seperation was
mine until recently pointed out to me. I quote, from the
record:
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What is required is a Tribunal, silly Incarnates, which
accuses me of crime or crimes, and to which my final judgment is
foregone unless I save myself. And a High Council to sway or
solidify their position, or to generally throw stones and verses.
And eye-witnesses, whose presence has taken me awhile to…secure.
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And since Vehk and Vehk will not give ground on his soul to
any but his equals, I appoint my own Tribunal to charge me. And I
command them to do their best to damn me, even if it tugs at their
conscience.
The appointments were then made, as
listed in the Trial Record.
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Thence does this Tribunal charge me and hold me to debate and
parley, and against every charge they bring I shall either win
through my proofs or eat the seven swords.
The High Council
shall be the rest of you unwashed masses, representatives from the
world’s five quarters. Here, I give you a razored stone. The first
is free.
In addition, though the
rules are enumerated by my hand, and detailed with certain modern
specifics, the Rules themselves are indeed very old. Never was it
claimed that I had produced an ancient document - only that the
rules themselves were ancient, and that I thought it best to display
them here. I did not invent them. They were related to me as simply
as below:
Code:
I. It is the function of the Tribunal, or Judges, to create and enforce the Rules of Court, and to ultimately hold the final say on the Verdict. i. The Tribunal may alter the Rules of Court at any time during the Trial, if they deem it appropriate. ii. While within the confines of the Court, the authority of the Tribunal is absolute.
2. It is the function of the High Council, or Those Assembled and Appointed, to engage in debate and attempt to influence the Tribunal and its decisions.
3. The Accused must prove or win by words his innocence.
Any additional elaboration beyond the above
was and is for the sake of clarity and specificity, as is customary
in communal Trial.
If you still seek my arrest and general
haranguing after such clarification, then by all means, speak to the
Court at large regarding it; until such time, the Trial will
continue.
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Here is a
reminder of Vehk's own words, by which he has consented to be
tried.
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You struggle to make the idea of my trial conform to your
standards. To this, I refuse. But to swim in the new phlogiston, I
will submit myself to a challenge of accountability—
--under Dunmeri rules.
What is required is a
Tribunal, silly Incarnates, which accuses me of crime or crimes,
and to which my final judgment is foregone unless I save myself.
And a High Council to sway or solidify their position, or to
generally throw stones and verses. And eye-witnesses, whose
presence has taken me awhile to…secure. . And since Vehk
and Vehk will not give ground on his soul to any but his equals, I
appoint my own Tribunal to charge me. And I command them to do
their best to damn me, even if it tugs at their conscience. Thus
do I appoint to mythic status: . Mercy- Allerleirauh, my
sweet Nord, so ironic that my heart sits at the feet of the
daughter of CHEMUA, YSMIR, HOAG. Do your best, Mother.
. Mystery- Hasphat Antabolis, Dwemer-infested and confused,
so fitting to sit in my brother’s seat, what shall you bring to
this? . And Mastery- my little Nigedo whirling, I expect
the deepest strokes from you. Enigma, you’ve become Enemy. Wrest
the right to Teach from me, or I will have Kha-bul-Nuit vomit on
your mind. . Thence does this Tribunal charge me and hold
me to debate and parley, and against every charge they bring I
shall either win through my proofs or eat the seven swords.
. The High Council shall be the rest of you unwashed
masses, representatives from the world’s five quarters. Here, I
give you a razored stone. The first is free.
In this matter, there is no
judge nor jury. This is no Imperial court of magistrates. It is a
trial of accountability and, therefore, of honour.
If Vehk
cannot show himself unimpeachable before his equals, the Tribunal,
in the face of our accusations, he will seek an end to himself.
I find that it is therefore Vehk's responsibility to
convince this Tribunal alone of his overwhelming innocence despite
our greatest efforts to prove his guilt.
Your duty as the
High Council is to cast doubt across the defenses of Vehk, and
provide further accusations for the Tribunal to hurl.
This is
my understanding; it is a serious matter and we should be clear on
its basis.
-------------------- Dean
of The Theoretical Whirling School Of Vivec
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May I also say
that we, The High Council, with very few exceptions, have not been
individually appointed. We have merely 'shown up' and felt it
best to contribute our knowledge, abilities, and sway to the Trial
as we've seen fit.
The appointed 'Tribunal' is a part and
function of the Court, as are the High Council. The Emperor was not
ignorant of this when he spoke, I assure you, nor was Vehk when he
initially agreed to be tried - and if he did not agree to be present
and accountable then no force we could muster could contain him
here.
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My dear
fellow, you mean to question a giant In that case you should have
brought with you a ladder
Instead you have tried to make us
all compliant By chewing off his legs to make yourself
fatter
Perhaps you should know it's greatest facility So
that you are aware it is it's immobility
*takes a deep
breath*
Even thru the cold mud, I know not to question the
Law, exhaled as a firey flame from the Giant itself. Your intentions
in comparison to my own however are crystal clear and for that I
believe I should bow.
*bows to Aquiantus and turns to the
Master of the Hall*
In mud, there is water to play. In mud,
it is here I stay. In mud, without water I become clay.
*sighs and takes an even deeper breath, holding it for long
moments before attempting to speak again*
I believe whatever
my Master is enthralled with is doing so in turn to my state. My
insides quiver and I fear for my fate. My mind is awful slow, so
where now is Old Man No?
*Nael's madness seems to be
intensifying and if you understand his words correctly, it appears
to be a result of whatever has been distracting the Mad God as the
proceedings have continued without him.*
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"Fine I'll
'leave' but know that I have been forced out not of free will. And
so oppression does still continue."
[Walks out of the Court]
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Regarding the
questions, I just want to make a little clarification if I may.
Stri'Ker's question about the Dwemer was mainly in jest, so you
don't have to ask it, or any derivative of it, when Azura is
summoned. It was a self indulgent one that doesn't have any bearing
on this trial. If any are to go, feel free to remove that one
first.
-Attrebus
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4th of First Seed - Dusk and Dusk.
A day devoted to
Scholarly Pursuits and Truth. And Stri'Ker, who died for these -
May he be remembered always.
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It is once
again time for the Hall to be refreshed. Please remember to retrieve
all your essential documents and to dispose of any litter properly
before re-entering. Thank you.
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